[MD] Loneliness

[skutvik at online.no]

Hi WaveDave (to distinguish you from Mr. Buchanan)

8 Sep.

> Greetings MoQers (old and new)

The oldest one greets you welcome back and am glad that the "David" 
quota is kept constant ;-)

> When I left this list years ago, I promised myself I would not join
> again. Look at the archive from time to time maybe, but not jump back
> into the brier-patch. My stint here started with Lila Squad and lasted
> until 2000 I think.

The other day I had a little reminiscing about "people I have known" 
during the MOQ discussion and you were among them, what if Diana, 
Doug, Riskybiz Roger and many more ... paid a visit?     

> Did loneliness get to me? Or maybe discomfort with the progress (or
> lack thereof)? The uncivil discourse particularly in the current
> events threads?(Platt & Arlo are sure making Struan proud.) Some of
> each, but the kicker is this book:

Yes, the discussion has its ups and downs. For myself I would possibly 
have benefited from a break, f.ex. to write the ultimate SOL treatise 
and re-learn how to update my homepage where my "juvenile" (Quality 
Event) still lingers.  

> Loneliness: Human Nature and the Need for Social Connection by John T.
> Cacioppo & William Patrick.
 
> It is an overview of a series of multi-disciplinary studies carried
> out by social and biological scientists over the last 20 years may
> give insight into the emerging of the social level.

I have read it all and find it most relevant. An gee Dave, if you could 
bring the discussion to the social level for a while because it is what 
sets the MOQ apart. SOM has "matter, life and mind" and it's an 
irresistible temptation to equal this with MOQ's first, second and fourth 
level, but the third level breaks this spell. 

It may also bring some insight to the intellectual level that (still) suffers 
from the level's picture of itself, namely that of MIND, a fallacy backed 
by Pirsig's "MOQ an intellectual pattern" while intellect is supposed to 
be a MOQ pattern. As always the intellectual level is NOT mind, but  
the Mind/Matter aggregate (SOM) .

Bodvar













 ³Getting by as a happy and healthy human being requires
> the integrative intelligence exercised by the brain¹s frontal lobes,      




 
> A taste:
> ³ The ³social brain² gave rise to the expanded cerebral cortex in
> humans because it gave an advantage to individuals who could learn by
> social observations; recognize the shifting status of friends and
> foes; anticipate and coordinate efforts between two of more
> individuals, eventually relying on language to communicate with,
> reason with, teach, and deceive others; orchestrate relationships,
> ranging from pair bonds and families to friends, bands, and
> coalitions; navigate complex hierarchies, adhere to social norms, and
> absorb cultural developments; subjugate self-interest to the interest
> of the pair bond or social group in exchange for the possibility of
> long-term benefits; recruit support for the sanctioning of individuals
> who violate group norms; and do all this across time frames that
> stretch from the distant past to multiple possible futures. It is
> worth noting that each of the subtle mental abilities requires the
> executive control functions of the frontal lobes-the function that
> succumbs most easily to the disturbing force of feeling socially
> isolatedSSS. ³Getting by as a happy and healthy human being requires
> the integrative intelligence exercised by the brain¹s frontal lobes, a
> function that neuroscientists and psychologists have labeled executive
> control.²

> ³Social Brain!² "Social Biology?"
> Oh horrors, what a MoQ blasphemy!
 
> What makes the "social" divide difficult is that prior to MoQ the term
> had been applied to a whole range of other animal behavior (still is).
> But MoQishly the social level is exclusively human. Whether these
> prior events are called "quasi-social" or "pre-social" what this book
> shows it that there were many patterns that had to coevolved on the
> cusp of the social level before it could emerge. And picking any one
> as the tipping point, probably misses the point. Often overlooked in
> the discussions of patterns and levels is the equal importance of the
> myriad of conxections, relationships and un-relationships between them
> (Bo, see works by James for in-depth discussions ;-))
> 
> It would seem "Integrative intelligence" and "executive control" also
> pave the way for the emergence of the intellect. Good book, well worth
> the time. Oh yeah, there may be a loneliness gene. And that's a good
> thing.
> 
> Dave
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