[MD] Uncertainty

[MarshaV]

Greetings Ian,

Hmmm.  I've mentioned this is more difficult because explaining it is an
intellectual process, especially using a s/o language like English, and it
is a struggle to find suitable words.  It is like that figure of the
faces/2vases image, where suddenly there it is!!!  It's one minute self and
objects, the next it's ever-changing, interconnected process/experience.
Not just different words like the previous sentence, but a very different
experience. I really am frightened to talk about this.  I am not an
enlightened one, but a novice in the newest sense of the word.  It is sips
of unpatterned experience.  God, and I can just hear Krimel's response
'AwGee!'.  


Marsha      


 
 

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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Ian Glendinning
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:12 AM
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Subject: Re: [MD] Uncertainty

Hi Marsha,

You said
>
> As far as what is beyond all patterns, DQ or Ultimate Reality?  I am quite
> comfortable with indivisible, undefinable and unknowable, and the
> possibility of the creation of a better pattern always available.
>
I say. Me too. (Effectively defining "real" as nothing that exists in
itself other than that ultimate reality.)

I also agree with "most" of what Bo says (leaving science aside for
now), so I would like to ask you to clarify one point where you also
agree with him. You are focussing on the patterns and not the
evolutionary aspects, although we agree the social to intellectual (as
S/O) split arose with the Greeks, and you said
>
> Intellectual Level being the subject/object level, and the MoQ being a
major
> separation with the Intellectual Level representing a new level, a new
> perspective.
>
This is the crux of where I have difficulty with Bo's SOL.
You use the word "level" four times, but you say "the MoQ being a
major separation", and then say "a new perspective".

Where is this separation / perspective ? In what ? Of what ?
Perhaps you could just elaborate / explain your "separation" point a
little further. (with or without using the words level and/or pattern)

Regards
Ian

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:35 AM, MarshaV<valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>
> Mati, Ham,
>
> I am flipping out with happiness,
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