[MD] Uncertainty

[Andre Broersen]

Mati:
"This "what is it like to be ..." is  another conundrums that SOM
imposes....." This is true but I think it is so important to
understand that this vital question of, "is it real" is what started
the whole intellect business and got us to where we are.

Andre:
Hi Mati and welcome. I know I am late in this but I have not, directly
responded to your posts before.
What is real? you ask.

There lived a bloke once, who said that "Philosophers have only sought to
interpret the world, the point however is to change it'. This bloke is not
much favoured by some on this forum (Platt and Ham in particular). His name
is Karl Marx.

Prejudice and projection you will get from these two. (I dearly enjoy their
contributions, do not get me wrong... but Platt loves the MoQ because he
thinks it supports his notion of individual freedom and the free-market
system ...defended with tooth and nail and gun and Ham because he analyses
things nicely ...but then falls forever in SOM with his value sensible,
proprietary agent. He wants a logical explanation of everything so that it
is epistomologically and ontologically sound.

I think that the MoQ does attempt to change the world  by a reinterpretation
that makes sense, not necessarily epistomologically/
ontologically/dialectically (because you can apply it to yourself and
everything you hear, see and feel around you everyday and I do not only mean
biologically or socially) by positing that what is real...what is reality
(are these the same in your opinion?) is Quality. It is so simple that it is
beyond even the common sense shit one hears every day on radio and TV, and
reads about in magazines and newspapers.

You talk about Aristotle  'proposing' the SOM split and making it into a
metaphysics....and here our modern scientific understanding of reality was
born (Pirsig) As I suggested in an earlier post the way this was dealt with
SCIENTIFICALLY was not a statement of the be all and end all of the
discussion. Scientific understanding remained open to dynamic quality. The
culprit was religion...because it was not open to DQ.

What is real? You contribute to your own reality..and that of others' and
that of the universe in exactly the same way as we are participating here on
this discuss, influencing eachother (yes even Platt and Ham) in an endeavour
to reach some deeper understanding, some harmony, meaning our waves
interlocking together contributing to the One.

Andre,
Going to China, to see for myself (again)
Yea, I'm going to China, to see for myself (again)
Just gonna get 'm some rock and roll. (John Lennon)

For what it is worth.