[MD] Uncertainty

[David Thomas]

On 9/9/09 3:54 PM, "John Carl" <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:

> It seems to me that the earliest Zen writings reflected both the prevalence
> of subjects and objects as the "official worldview"
Subjects and objects maybe. Subjects and Objects as a metaphysical base?
I don't know. The only way to tell for sure would be able to read and
understand like a native all the various Eastern languages, which I cannot
do. I've read a little about Zen in English but translated you can't avoid
subjects and predicates. (grin)
> and offer enlightened
> transcendence of the social and intellectual dilemmas imposed.
Agreed.
> Thus a clear evolution to SOL and a way of dealing with it.
SOL, I believe, is a term that Bo created to illuminate his interpretation
of the MoQ. It's been so long since I've read his piece I'm not sure what it
means anymore, if I ever really did.

> I have a bone to pick with the classification of intellect with words.  I
> think that there is possible high-quality mind-endeavors such as painting,
> composing, architecture (Invented by the Greeks you know, before the Greeks
> named it, people didn't even notice what shape their house was) that are
> examples of non-verbal intellect.

I agree with bone about words. And particularly RMP's contention that the
intellect did not emerge anywhere or anyhow until the Greek invented the S/O
philosophy and the "name", the Greek word, for it. Violates his own
principle of parallel evolution. And common sense.
> 
> But then, I think drumming and dancing are also rational activity so maybe
> I'm just crazy.

They're definitely a species of good. I have a section of a hollow oak log
that I cut out after the spring ice storm, curing for just that purpose.

Dave