[MD] Loneliness

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John

12 Sep you wrote:

> Intelligence and Intellect.  Which is the level and which is the
> aspect? 

Help me untangle the Gordic "intellect-intelligence" knot (in the 
American English language) where it seems to have undergone some 
symbiosis. Intellect was never meant to be identical to intelligence. 
Animals are regarded intelligent to lesser or greater extent but never 
intellectual - not even the smartest chimps or dolphins. How could  
Pirsig at first say that the intellectual level was "just thinking" - and a 
lot of participants uphold this fallacy - all the time it's obvious that it's 
RATIONAL thinking, i.e. the ability to look objectively on things and 
shun everything subjective. That this is SOM  (The Church of 
Reason")  and thus the 4th.level is just as plain. That LILA rails 
against the C of R in its science form and shows how often 
subjective-personal motifs interfere is another thing, that's to show 
intellect's social origin.   

Me earlier:
> > "Patterns objectified for analytical thinking". That sounds like an
> > OK definition of intellect.

John:
> Yes.  I agree that it does sound like an ok defintion.  And since
> objectification is SOM, it makes perfect sense that SOM=Intellect.
> In that regard then, the 4th level is Mind, not "Intellect".

Are you bent on driving me mad? ;-) There is nothing wrong with 
MOQ's level design, it's just that it rejects the subject/object 
distinction as existence's fundament, ergo there is no mind or matter 
in the MOQ and  what we call "intelligence" does not take place in 
mind because all S/Os are gone with the wind. The ability to 
manipulate experience (memory) simply emerged with biology's 
increasing neural complexity and with Homo Sapiens' huge brain it 
grew enormously. OK, this - at first limited - prowess was (still is) 
used by the biological level for its purpose, then adapted by the social 
level for its purpose and finally by intellect to promote its S/O value. 
And at this level the S/O's flourish.   

Bodvar


























> Do we have final vocabulary?  (Sorry you Rorty detractors, I haven't
> even read the guy but I do like that term)
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>  but I did of course mean "Intellect is supposed to
> > be a MOQ level".
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> > Bodvar
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> Not anymore!
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> John
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