[MD] Imaginings

[Andre Broersen]

Platt:
You see what starts the nonsense -- an accusation. And the accuser
expects the accused to just roll over and bow to his superior intelligence.
Well, I say, bull crap. When anyone here is personally attacked he or
she has every right to respond in kind. To ignore evil is an evil itself,
especially on a site whose main subject is morality.

Andre:
Yes Platt, it is morality we are discussing, but not from an inorganic or
organic/ social point of view. This is supposedly a forum at a level that
transcends this sort of stuff!
Doesn't mean it shouldn't have any connection with these levels but, as the
cliché goes...this should be above party politics.

It seems to me that you continue to reduce Pirsig's metaphysics (which is on
an imaginal/ intellectual wavelength) to a social/ ordinary wavelength. No
wonder some of us are disturbed by this.
Pirsig has tried to give us an intellectual/ imaginal tool to guide the
social level..which is muchly needed. The social level is very, very sick.
It is a rust belt and you are a representative thereof (I am beginning to
not feel sorry to say this).
Now look at this following contradiction in your argument:
In Holland, a company has been able to provide, through its strengt in the
market position (a strength gained through tough competition) a free
internet service to schools. Now, a European authority says that this is not
on!! It is taking unfair advantage out of its (through blood, sweat and
tears gained) market position. It should charge a fee!!! and leave this open
to other (potential) providers to offer the service at a cheaper fee...and
compete!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can you understand the logic of this??? (Platt would love this but I ask:

What are we on about???

Are we after Quality/GOOD (which I would imagine a free internet provision
to schools is)  or what??

The free market logic is, of course, that we should compete eachother to
death ( DQ right??!!) and that the 'ordinary person' ( in this example
school children) caught in the middle should just suffer the whole bit.

According to your standards, is the provision of a free internet service, to
schools a good thing or not?

If so, do we have a right to 'free' health care or not? As I heard one
friggin' Dutch politician say to that: we do live at a level of civilisation
that values the quality of health of its citizens. It is a basic right which
we will not interfere with... .
(Just to clarify: we do pay for this in our taxes...each and everyone of us)

Are we trying to establish some sort of intellectual foundation for GOOD  or
will we let dialectics and rhetoric lose on eachother...again?

It's  probably worth nothing.
Andre, the ignored.