[MD] Imaginings

[John Carl]

On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Andre Broersen <andrebroersen at gmail.com>wrote:
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>
> Andre:
> Yes Platt, it is morality we are discussing, but not from an inorganic or
> organic/ social point of view. This is supposedly a forum at a level that
> transcends this sort of stuff!
>

what?  it is? I thought this was the "fight until you drop in defense of
pre-thought ideology" forum.

I must not have read the fine print

Doesn't mean it shouldn't have any connection with these levels but, as the
> cliché goes...this should be above party politics.
>
> It seems to me that you continue to reduce Pirsig's metaphysics (which is
> on
> an imaginal/ intellectual wavelength) to a social/ ordinary wavelength. No
> wonder some of us are disturbed by this.
>


Yes.  I agree.  Using the MoQ in the service of radical individualism seems
wrong in ways that go too deep for description.



> Pirsig has tried to give us an intellectual/ imaginal tool to guide the
> social level..which is muchly needed. The social level is very, very sick.
>


Yes!  And using this intellectual/imaginal tool in the service of any
particular side of the conflict is misusing this tool -


> Now look at this following contradiction in your argument:
> In Holland, a company has been able to provide, through its strengt in the
> market position (a strength gained through tough competition) a free
> internet service to schools. Now, a European authority says that this is
> not
> on!! It is taking unfair advantage out of its (through blood, sweat and
> tears gained) market position. It should charge a fee!!! and leave this
> open
> to other (potential) providers to offer the service at a cheaper fee...and
> compete!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Can you understand the logic of this??? (Platt would love this but I ask:
>
> What are we on about???
>

Ok, I don't see Platt anywhere in the above equation.  I see an old enemy
tho.  Internet connectivity has always seemed like a really good idea to me.
 Something like roads, which give us more back collectively than they cost
individually.    Same with internet.  So having this perspective for 15
years and struggling with the forces that oppose this idea, because they
want control or power, it's like "here we go again" when you describe the
way your g"European authority" is actually restricting the free enterprise
and it's choices.  I can say without fear of contradiction that Platt would
view this as nothing but ill-thought governmental socialism at its worst.


> Are we after Quality/GOOD (which I would imagine a free internet provision
> to schools is)  or what??
>
>
As a dot communist revolutionary, I don't see any reason why we don't just
create our own grass roots mesh networks - bbs's for a new age! and bypass
all controls whatsoever.  goodbye long distance fees.