[MD] Uncertainty

[Joseph Maurer]

On 9/12/09 9:59 AM, "John Carl" <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:

> Joe,
> Your words dance in my head like a song I can't quite understand but enjoy
> on levels of unconsciousness.
> 
> So keep singing to me, but forgive me if I don't even try and harmonize.
> 
>

Hi John and all,

Imho in a DQ/SQ metaphysics there will always be something undefined in our
knowledge.  SOM proposed that the undefined was found in S. Does that mean
that I can¹t be held responsible for what I am doing?  Morality requires an
evolutionary environment for precision.

MOQ proposes that the level of evolution is undefined.  In that way
evolution becomes a DQ basis for morality. With a mechanical outlook I go
astray and rape and kill on the leader¹s orders.  Morally, I use the same
level materiality for some manifestations, e.g. breathing and talking. What
a mix-up! 

As Bo pointed out, the Taliban abstracted the authority of the ruler of the
social level, and gave to an authority social figure, Allah, a complete rule
over all actions even Intellect. The two undefined levels higher Emotional
(social), and higher Intellectual, which operate beyond the intellectual
level of consciousness, are mistakenly banned from our consideration in
being indefinable.  Pirsig is trying to throw a breath of fresh air into our
actions, from his own experience in seeing evolutionary limits as what is
indefinable but knowable.

We all do that abstraction, and that makes DQ/SQ metaphysics so important
for reflection.  If I don¹t reflect (remember) why I do things, I do what
comes naturally food, sex.  I can¹t communicate because I don¹t know your
abstractions, and a mechanical style of life, culture, becomes the moral
norm!  God made me do it!

Intentional self-rule is often abrogated by the necessities for war by
romantic (social) leaders. I felt like it!  Moq respectfully describes a
moral level beyond the social level, the intellectual.  Heroes manage to
embrace higher levels of activity, described metaphorically in esoteric
literature as higher emotional and higher intellectual levels,
enlightenment.

 

Joe


> Joe,
> Your words dance in my head like a song I can't quite understand but enjoy
> on levels of unconsciousness.
> 
> So keep singing to me, but forgive me if I don't even try and harmonize.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Joseph Maurer <jhmau at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 9/10/09 9:06 PM, "John Carl" <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm here for the words, sucking 'em in, spewing 'em out.
>> 
>> Finding good ones and going "Hey guys! I found some good ones! Like these!
>> 
>> As it is said, "Reality has no comparison, because there is nothing to
>> which
>> it may be likened; the body or reality is not constructed and does not fall
>> within the scope of any classification." That is why it is said, "The
>> substance of the sage is nameless and cannot be spoken of; the empty door
>> of
>> truth as it really is cannot be tarried in."
>> 
>> It is like the case of insects being able to alight anywhere, only they
>> can't alight on the flames of a fire--sentient beings minds are also like
>> this in that they can form relations anywhere, only they cannot relate to
>> transcendent wisdom.
>> 
>> 
>> Hi John and all,
>> 
>> Words are attached to concepts.  Concepts are defined. Feelings, intuitions
>> are attached to perceptions.  Perceptions are undefined.  The reality of
>> evolution is not a concept.  Words deny evolution.  It is only in the
>> quietness of my musings that I can go to morality/evolution and tear apart
>> my actions and desires wordlessly.   After I muse I try to find words that
>> help explain, and I lose myself in the words, but the effort to communicate
>> creates new meaning words, QUALITY.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:03 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> p.s.  I'm here for the ideas...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> I'm here for the words, sucking 'em in, spewing 'em out.
>>> 
>>> Finding good ones and going "Hey guys!  I found some good ones!  Like
>> these!
>>> 
>>> As it is said, "Reality has no comparison, because there is nothing to
>> which
>>> it may be likened; the body or reality is not constructed and does not
>> fall
>>> within the scope of any classification." That is why it is said, "The
>>> substance of the sage is nameless and cannot be spoken of; the empty door
>> of
>>> truth as it really is cannot be tarried in."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It is like the case of insects being able to alight anywhere, only they
>>> can't alight on the flames of a fire--sentient beings minds are also like
>>> this in that they can form relations anywhere, only they cannot relate to
>>> transcendent wisdom.
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