[MD] Logos is not ergon

[X Acto]

Matt,
I think I avoid the subject of Pragmatism due to the persnickity nature
in which it's discussed. Honor may or may not factor into the logos/ergon
statement, depending on what one intends with it. The same way with the intent
of the Sophism which was meant to uphold it's virtue.

sadly, words are not action.

The term "lip service" comes to mind in relevance to the discussions
of pragmatism meaning and value and I would agree that with out the 
honoring of agreements, society would cease to function.

Consequently, the honoring of logos as ergon is a virtue,
a cultural value one which we are measured by and lawers find loop holes in
meaning and interpretation. Sophism sans virtue.

Steve is very wise, and his statement a testament to his understanding.

-Ron




----- Original Message ----
From: Matt Kundert <pirsigaffliction at hotmail.com>
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:21:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Logos is not ergon


Logos (word) is ergon (deed).

Maybe that's why, Ron, you've always seemed to me to avoid pragmatism, which has at its heart the notion that our word is a deed.  As J. L. Austin once said, "our word is our bond."  One might deplore these ephemeral links holding up these magical towers in the sky called "culture" and "ego," like Andre, but without our word being a deed, an act with consequences, then all of this goes away--no computer, no books, no words, no thought, no humanity, no humans.  It all goes away once we become truly unbonded.

Various Eastern philosophies, and Western for that matter, may _on the surface_ suggest the betterness of such a thing, but they don't really.  As Steve said, the Buddha exists as well inside a sentence as anything else.  And Pirsig helps us triumph over such a silly notion as that the metaphysical illusion of culture and ego, ipso facto, mean they are purposeless fictions that should go away--everything has value.

There are many conversations to be had about what is most valuable, but without a doubt, the Logos was the Ergon.

Matt
                        
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