[MD] an aside

[skutvik at online.no]

Hi Ron 

18 Sep. 

After citing the Rumenian piece you wrote:
 
> I saw this, and it hit a chord. It's not freedom it's an intellectual
> ideal that all people are created equal. America is united under this
> Intellectual ideal. I posted this in response to multi culturalism and
> ethnic and cultural diversity. That it is somehow wrong, inhibiting
> and degenerate. But this shows how an intellectual ideal can overcome
> all that. It proves the potential of strength through diversity. That
> not all intellectual patterns are evil, that some transcend cultural
> values and it's these intellectual values of a social community is
> what really makes this country dynamic. It's the kind of attitude some
> would call socialist, but it's that social ideal, that intellectual
> pattern, what makes this country great despite all it's mistakes.
 
Now, this was an interesting input and a welcome relief from your 
nonsensical and un-moqish "evalualtion" of the Greeks. 

The USA is definitely based on the intellectual pattern that "All people 
are created equal", its constitution from the crucial late eighteenth 
century years when Europe (and the colonies in North America) 
liberated themselves from the Old Order (Church and Nobility) but this 
is "freedom" too. Regarding the 11 Sep. infamy and the patriotic 
reaction to it (that the Rumenian mentioned) I've been on to that 
several times. In MOQ-speak this was a retreat to the social level of 
emotions when the intellectual level "failed" 

This "failing" requires a little explanation. The said intellectual value of 
freedom, equality, democracy ..etc. did not fail - far from that - but the 
islamists  who planned and performed the misdeed represented an all-
social culture and can't be met with intellectual counter,measures (you 
can't well put dead men and their "principals" hiding in "Farawayistan" 
before a court accusing  them of not violating human rights and the 
Geneva convention. Like nazism it has to be met on the same level. 
But the American social-induced actions were short-lived. For instance 
the Guantanamo was soon under intellectual scrutiny ... and so on.

However if the muslims in the USA stood united against the 
perpetrators is another thing, they merely went into hiding, the 11 Sep. 
"pilots" were defending the holy faith and as such martyrs, and so 
were/are the Al Qaeda "cavemen" The muslims can by default not 
welcome freedom and equality because islam means SUBMISSION 
and INEQUALITY, those who don't believe are as inequal as one can 
be. In MOQ terms the Islam vs West  represents the social vs. 
intellectual level moved to a new frontier.

> united we stand, divided .....we fall

IMO intellectual diversity is "our" strength, And that level is the highest 
value in the MOQ. The overarching DQ/SQ just clears up the 
metaphysical conundrums the S/O leads to. Objectivity (over 
subjectivity) is our credo.    

Bodvar