[MD] Uncertainty

[skutvik at online.no]

Hi Mark, Will, Blake or Smith

20 Sep. you wrote

> This notion of quality being undefinable and only an experience is all
> a bunch of semantic nonsense!

If you are to criticize the MOQ you can't just pick one post, particularly 
not from Joe Maurer who may be the gentlest of men, but his grasp of 
the MOQ  ... ?? 

> Like the rule not to worship idols.  You have to worship the real
> thing...

????

> A definition is an experience!  Where do you draw the line at what is
> experience and what isn't?  Reading these posts is an experience. 

You are right, all is experience, but it's strained through metaphysical 
filters and the Q-levels have been filters while top notch . When cave 
mankind looked on the night sky their "social metaphysics" made them 
see gods and goddesses wile "intellectual metaphysics" (SOM) makes 
us see stars and planets, which is a better explanation. The MOQ 
makes us - by a superhuman effort - see raw experience which is 
filtered by the static levels.      

> When I think of the definition of water, that is an experience.    
> Show me some definition that is not an experience. Labeling something
> as undefinable is a definition, and that definition is an experience.

The MOQ postulates a dynamic and a static aspect to "experience". 
The term "dynamic" indicates in-definability - full stop - to think, speak 
or write isn't definition. What you mean is that one can't escape 
language and that's right.     

> When you define Quality,  that is an experience. 

To say that something is indefinable isn't a definition. You  look caught 
in the experience/definition fallacy you (correctly) protest below.       

> Dividing reality up into definitions and experience is pure nonsense
> and doesn't lead anywhere.  It is phantom reasoning through semantics. 

Except for "dividing reality ... etc." (it's a "Reality/Definitions" divide) 
you have put your finger on a big bone of contention, namely if MOQ's 
fundamental split is (the above) "Reality/Definition" ("Quality/Concepts" 
as we know the bone as *)  or DQ/SQ.

*) From the preliminaries we know that Quality=Reality.

Bodvar.