[MD] The MOQ/Zen relationship.

[MarshaV]

Greetings Andre,

It would seem to me from the MoQ point-of-view that both mysticism and
enlightenment are processes not 'things' obtained.  As far as meditation
goes, even a tiny ten-minute per day meditation can be a big start to
emptying some of that teacup.   


Marsha






  
 
 
 
 
 

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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Andre Broersen
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Subject: [MD] The MOQ/Zen relationship.

Marsha to Bodvar:
RMP has made a connection between Buddhism and the MoQ, and I think it very
worthwhile to explore that connection. After all it seems the one purpose of
the MoQ is to bring together the Western intellect with the Eastern
insight/wisdom.

Andre:
Hi Marsha, couldn't agree more especially regarding the technique of
meditation. Reanney was all in favour of it as well. But again it is the
Western attitude that finds something 'new-agey' about this practice and
often is dismissed as just another 'relaxation' technique.

I really liked it when Pirsig, in ZMM at one point says (when stuck I think)
well...just stare at the thing!! And in his story about sailing, his use of
the word 'vacation' as in giving the mind a chance to 'vacate' all the
static patterns...as indeed the cup of tea analogy. Keeping it empty so that
new stuff can come in, uncontaminated by what's  already there.

In this sense do not pay too much attention to Bodvar's reluctance to
associate the MoQ and Zen which is associated with ...mysticism. He himself
has labelled it a SOM term....and should know that it is one of many ways of
going after DQ.

Ask a 'Zennie' about mystical stuff and s/he'll laugh at you.

If only I could summon some discipline to put it into practice.

Cheers
Andre
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