[MD] The MOQ/Zen relationship

[Jan-Anders]

Greetings all

Baking bread or riding my horse is meditation to me.

Quality defined in it's quantity, pattern and dynamic function.

Jan-Anders
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> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 08:19:38 -0400
> From: "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net>
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> Subject: Re: [MD] The MOQ/Zen relationship.
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> Greetings Andre,
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> It would seem to me from the MoQ point-of-view that both mysticism and
> enlightenment are processes not 'things' obtained.  As far as meditation
> goes, even a tiny ten-minute per day meditation can be a big start to
> emptying some of that teacup.   
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> Marsha
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> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Andre Broersen
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 7:38 AM
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> Subject: [MD] The MOQ/Zen relationship.
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> Marsha to Bodvar:
> RMP has made a connection between Buddhism and the MoQ, and I think it very
> worthwhile to explore that connection. After all it seems the one purpose of
> the MoQ is to bring together the Western intellect with the Eastern
> insight/wisdom.
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> Andre:
> Hi Marsha, couldn't agree more especially regarding the technique of
> meditation. Reanney was all in favour of it as well. But again it is the
> Western attitude that finds something 'new-agey' about this practice and
> often is dismissed as just another 'relaxation' technique.
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> I really liked it when Pirsig, in ZMM at one point says (when stuck I think)
> well...just stare at the thing!! And in his story about sailing, his use of
> the word 'vacation' as in giving the mind a chance to 'vacate' all the
> static patterns...as indeed the cup of tea analogy. Keeping it empty so that
> new stuff can come in, uncontaminated by what's  already there.
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> In this sense do not pay too much attention to Bodvar's reluctance to
> associate the MoQ and Zen which is associated with ...mysticism. He himself
> has labelled it a SOM term....and should know that it is one of many ways of
> going after DQ.
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> Ask a 'Zennie' about mystical stuff and s/he'll laugh at you.
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> If only I could summon some discipline to put it into practice.
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> Cheers
> Andre
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