[MD] Uncertainty

[John Carl]

Mark,
I think the most nonsensically used semantics in the english language is
"only".  Like when people say "Reality is only in your head."

The implication of "only" is that its unimportant or irrelevant.  Your use
of the pejorative only in "Quality is only an experience"  illustrates this
nicely.




On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 10:36 PM, markhsmit <markhsmit at aol.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> This notion of quality being undefinable and only an experience is all
> a bunch of semantic nonsense!
>
> Like the rule not to worship idols.  You have to worship the real thing...
>


I've wondered at times, what is the philosophical definition of "worship"?
 The best I can come up with is "Worship is the derivation of Values"  That
is, if I worship "Baal" then I get my values from Baal.  If I worship Allah,
then I derive my values from the teaching of Allah.

However, the Allah that can be named is not the real Allah, so worship
always evolves into idolatry.



>
> A definition is an experience!


True!  A certain kind of experience.


>  Where do you draw the line at what is
> experience and what isn't?



Ok, I'm thinking.  I don't know.  That's like asking where I draw the line
at "everything".  What is part of everything and what is not?  That's a
tough line to draw, since I create out of nothingness these concepts which
have an inherent "somethingness" simply by the fact of their mentation.

experience = reality




> Reading these posts is an experience.
> When I think of the definition of water, that is an experience.
> Show me some definition that is not an experience.
>


NO!  I refuse!  You cannot make me.



> Labeling something as undefinable is a definition, and that
> definition is an experience.  When you define Quality,
> that is an experience.


Yes!  I concur!  I absolutely Agree.  Quality is defined only in experience.
 That's my point.  (note, my only isn't a pejorative only, it's only
exclusionary )



> Dividing reality up into definitions and experience
> is pure nonsense and doesn't lead anywhere.  It is phantom reasoning
> through semantics.
>
>
metaphysical addictions can be as dangerous as any other addictions to the
pleasures of the flesh.  What can you do?