[MD] Fwd: Boromir's Journey

Tue Sep 22 07:30:49 PDT 2009

"The MOQ does not rest on faith. In the MOQ faith is very low quality stuff,
a willingness to believe falsehoods."
  (RMP,Copleston)

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How can Steves question not be concerned with Quality?

he did not mention that one required faith to realize quality

he asked us what we thought "having faith" meant.

rephrased in terms of your quote

why desire betterness?

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"For quality, no faith is required because there is no way you can
disbelieve that there is such a thing as quality. You cannot conceive of or
live in a world in which nothing is better than anything else."
  (RMP,Copleston)

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what is the concern of the MoQ?

----- Original Message ----
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Steve,

I don't know how experience requires faith, but your concern doesn't seem to
be the MoQ. Okay.    

Marsha

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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Steven Peterson
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Hi Marsha,

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 7:27 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>
> But Steve, that is what I'm saying.  I do not understand what it is you
are
> trying to get at.  I asked 'Faith in what?', but that was the wrong
> questions.  I'm truly puzzled.

What I am getting at is to try to rehabilitate the word "faith" and
rescue it from the clutches of dogmatic religion similar to the way
that Pirsig tried to rehabilitate "gumption."

You seem to be saying that there is nothing left of faith once we take
away dogmatic belief. I'm hoping that there is something left and
trying to explore what that could be. The responses so far have been
helpful to me in that regard.

Best,
Steve
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