[MD] Fwd: Boromir's Journey

Tue Sep 22 12:27:44 PDT 2009

I'm not sure what I'm equating or if I'm equating
 but I agree....
when not hungry or  thirsty or horney

when warm/cool comfortable, when not in pain

I can be aware and not desire.

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Ron,

It sounds like you are suggesting that quality equals desire.  I don't think
so because one can experience awareness without desire.

Marsha

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they danced around it

but I was wondering what you thought about it

it's been on my mind

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Ron,

Krishnamurti and David Bohm might supply an answer.  

Marsha 

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Marsha,
I sense we are close to something

this desire is before concepts of self

perhaps it is the desire of the creation of self

this reaching for betterness

perhaps it creates society and to function in a society
a self is required. A name, a label, symbol that stands for this collection
of intersecting patterns.

I ask this in reference to, at what point did this reaching become
misguided?
reaching implies time, a hope toward betterness.

why?

is it the nature of existing?

if it is, I think it would be helpful to find out.

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Ron,

The statement 'to cease desiring' was not the answer to your question, but
among the listing of a number of different patterns to possibly discuss.
Besides, your question presumes a self to answer the question, and as I
already stated the quality (betterness) comes before the creation of a self
and object.  I really don't know how to answer such a question.  Quality is
better than nothing?  

Marsha 

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marsha to the question "why desire betterness?:
 to cease
desiring...  

Ron:
the desire to cease desiring.

I think we are closing in on something.

this reaching.

is this the final desire to vanquish?

is acceptance of desire the way to disperse it?

to accept this reaching into the unknown? as
growth?
an acceptance of be-ing?

to be is to desire

Socrates said that philosophy was the preparation for death.

Marsha

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any you care to discuss

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Who's reasoning (what self?) would you be asking about?

Marsha

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why desire betterness?

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