[MD] Uncertainty

Arlo Bensinger ajb102 at psu.edu
Thu Sep 24 15:14:58 PDT 2009


[Platt]
Deos that mean that there will come a time when nothing exists?

[Arlo]
Nothing exists? Another splendid linguistic paradox! Who knows, maybe 
something will exist, maybe not. XKCD has a relevant comic about 
this... (http://xkcd.com/638/)... Will there come a time when human 
perception will no longer be around? I'd say that's probable. I doubt 
our species will survive our sun going all red giant on us... 
Maybe... but doubtful...

[Platt]
So stability is permanent?

[Arlo]
Ah, recursion. Its fascinating... This is simply a restatement of the 
Quined.... ""Nothing stays the same" stays the same".... Or ""There 
are no facts" is a fact"...  Shouldn't we be past this by now?

[Platt]
Seems the drift to nonexistence is permanent.

[Arlo]
Another restatement of "It's a fact there are no facts". The moment 
you try to conceptualize in symbols this stuff, you bring the paradox 
of recursion. I don't know what more I can say that this... Its not 
anything new and exciting... ask Zeno... You are trying to make the 
set contain itself. Can't be done without some paradox creeping in 
somewhere... Would a real Zen Master just say "mu" to this? Perhaps...

[Platt]
Seems you assume time is permanent..

[Arlo]
Not in a million years (pun intended).







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