[MD] ego vs self

[MarshaV]

Bo,

The problem is that once you start talking about the MoQ it becomes an
intellectual static pattern of value and suffers objectification.  On the
Dynamic/static level, above the Intellectual Level, there is only patterned
experience and Dynamic experience.  


Marsha
 
 






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Marsha , All

You cited Dan Glover's "Lila's Child":  
 
            RMP Annotation 29
    The MOQ, as I understand it, denies any existence of a oeself 
    that is
    independent of inorganic, biological, social or intellectual 
    patterns.
    There is no oeself that contains these patterns. These patterns
    contain the self. This denial agrees with both religious 
    mysticism and
    scientific knowledge. In Zen, there is reference to oebig self 
    and
    oesmall self Small self is the patterns. Big self is Dynamic 
    Quality. 

DG:
So the MOQ might say we invent the self and then believe in our
own invention.
 
RMP:
    Or better, the big self invents intellectual patterns that invent 
    the
    small self and that collection of small selves known as "we".

Bodvar:
This is important and ought to be written in fiery letters. Pirsig says 
(translated) "DQ creates the static levels of which the highest - intellect 
- creates  "mind", "self", "- consciousness" - awareness known as "we"  

Again Pirsig inadvertently confirms the SOL (intellect as the S/O 
distinction). From inside intellect the fundamental split is between  a 
self and its world. If Arlo still is "conscious" from his fencing with Platt

and spots this I challenge him to explain it away

Bodvar.     









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