[MD] Boromir's Journey

[Matt Kundert]

matt said: and, along a different angle, not being able to 
actually effect a perfection--your point--breeds leibnizian 
thoughts of theodicy: this world is the best of all possible 
worlds, which voltaire laughed at as absurd and the rest of 
us should look at as a simplisitic apology of worseness that 
ameliorates the impetus to change it.

gav said: not necessarily. only from a SOM viewpoint 
(effector and effected, to use your terminology). the 
perfection of DQ (to return to the jargon de rigeur) underpins 
the MOQ. it is the source and apogee. from the mystical 
perspective of the MOQ therefore perfection is a truism.

matt: sure--not necessarily.  but neither steve nor i nor 
anyone properly anti-somist are talking about eternal, 
written-into-the-lining-of-the-world necessities.  what 
steve and i are enunciating are our perception of 
likelihoods, given whatever appreciation of our experience 
and of history we've garnered.

in this case--sure, a conceptual truism, but i tend to think 
that, just like leibniz trying to fit evil into the truism of the 
perfection of god, i tend to think it's best to stand aside 
from thinking of anything as a "perfection," as opposed to a 
"perfecting," a good sense which can be--but is not the 
only--sense to be attached to "betterness" being "perfection."

just like my problems with the metaphor of system, i tend 
to think that it is perhaps best to lay off the drawing of 
circles around the whole of reality, which i tend to think 
the notion of "perfection" tends to do

but, that's just my perception of the value of the rhetorical map

matt
 		 	   		  
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