[MD] ego vs self

[MarshaV]

Wow Fernando, 

You took my breath away with your questions. There is so much I cannot say;
the words are caught in my throat, but I appreciate you asking.  When
reality is defined with statements like "At this centre (the organ of his
manhood) the balance is broken.  And a broken balance is the source of
power.  Creative power.  Always.  This is why, in the Dreaming of all
peoples, the phallus is a symbol of potency, a promise of becoming." who
hears the Feminine voice?  Who cares?  Not even she, her language was long
ago buried.  

Your Mother is dying, how will it be to live on a dead planet, like Mars,
the planet of war?  Or with her greatest effort will she blow you away to
give birth to something better?  

Your questions I cannot answer.  Ask you wives and daughters.

I love you.



Marsha
 
 
 



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fernandocarlosfarah at mls.com.br
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:59 PM
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Hallo, Marsha!

Having a feminine voice in the group is an interesting addition, i think.
Why
do you think the great scholars of mankind, the prophets, the poets 
(with a few
exceptions), the sages and leaders of mankind have always been male?  
There´s a
lot we can learn with females but they are often put behind the scenes...
Why
would that be?  Is woman evil, does she lead to confusion has she been less
imposing throughout time?

Yours truly,
Fernando.



----- Mensagem de valkyr at att.net ---------
    Data: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:57:10 -0400
    De: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
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Assunto: Re: [MD] ego vs self
      Para: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org


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> John,
>
> Fine, if this is what you think, because reality is whatever you think it
to
> be (ease to label, hard to define).
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org
> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of John Carl
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 12:48 PM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] ego vs self
>
> The way I look at it Marsha, is this:  "What I think" is one thing
> "Reality" is another.  That's just your basic rule of being.   But the
line
> between the two is flexible and a creative and conscious choice.  THAT is
> the MoQ insight into the situation.
>
> The outline of my self is the inline of the world and the creative act of
> drawing the line is a dynamic  process.
>
> which doesn't permit any sort of hard and fast line in the sand, the kind
> that reductionist westerners crave.
>
> oh well
>
> Quality and me -  easy to label, hard to define.
>
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> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:21 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
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>>
>> John,
>>
>> If this is what you think, fine, because reality is whatever you think it
>> to
>> be.
>>
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>> -------------
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org
>> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of John Carl
>> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:09 PM
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Subject: Re: [MD] ego vs self
>>
>> Marsha,
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:27 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > You can choose to be a finite self, but for how long?
>>
>>
>>
>> "how long" is a question about the future.  Choice doesn't exist in the
>> future;  Choice exists in the moment.
>>
>>
>>
>> >  How long before you
>> > stop choosing, and the patterns take over without your conscious
>> awareness.
>> > Does your finite self change?  If yes, isn't that a contradiction?
>>
>>
>>
>> The boundaries of my finitude change with my choice of focus, my finitude
>> is
>> bounded by this focus.  In the moment of choice, there are no
>> contradictions.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > The MoQ
>> > states that there is static patterns of value and Dynamic Quality,
where
>> > does your _finite_ self fit into that framework?  Hmmmm?
>>
>>
>>
>> Ummm... lower left corner?  Dead Center?  It's not really up to me.  I'll
>> let others decide.  I'm lazy that way.
>