[MD] A fly in the MOQ ointment

[Ham Priday]

Greetings, Horse --


You quoted Bo as insisting:

> FYI: The SOL does NOT say that the 4th level consists of
> subjects and objects, rather it is the SOM (the "objective-over
>-subject" approach) without its "M"!!!!

Yet, in Lila's Child you are quoted as saying that "in a way Subject/Object 
Metaphysics could be seen as identical to the intellectual level of the 
MOQ!"

SOM is a term Pirsig has used to identify the Socratic concept of the world.
Essentially SOM is acknowledging that existence appears to the subject as a 
relational system of diverse objects.  (In other words, common experience.)

Inasmuch as everyone here is using that term as the "inferior" alternative 
to MOQ, please tell me what qualifies subject/object experience as a 
"metaphysics".  Also, apart from the question of where Intellect fits in the 
levels hierarchy, what do you think Bodvar meant by defining SOM as "the 
'objective-over-subject' approach"?

Frankly, the notion that objective reality is "metaphysical" is more 
perplexing to me than dividing experience into levels of Quality and calling 
it a metaphysics.

Thanks for your clarification.

Regards,
Ham