[MD] a view

[MarshaV]

Ron,

It's obviously a conventional interpretation, so yes it is a problem.
But so then would be your conventional view that it's a
problem. 
 
 
Marsha



On Apr 3, 2010, at 7:14 AM, X Acto wrote:

> Marsha,
> I think the idea of a right/wrong way to view reality
> is a problem. I think concerning the self with it
> is a problem. I think trying to label it and the self
> as subscribing to it's point of view is a problem.
> Like a place to rest and stop the search. 
> 
> A comfortable place to call home.
> 
> -Ron
> 
> 
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> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
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> Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 1:12:24 PM
> Subject: [MD] a view
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> This is how I understand the Intellectual (SOM) Level.  From 
> the SOM perspective, there is the unknown and the known.  
> The known uses language as its primary tool.  Language has been 
> built hand-in-hand with human understanding of reality, they have 
> evolved together, and they reflect reality as subjects and objects, 
> our language and subject-object metaphysics are interrelated.  
> (In the Social Level, this s-o understanding is unconscious.)  
> In the Intellectual Level the subject-object split is conscious, 
> and has undergone a dissection to strip the ‘subjective’ from 
> influencing our search for the external Truth in Nature.  The 
> Intellectual Level represents a formal Subject-Object 
> Metaphysics, SOM, and is interconnected with the language 
> we use to organize concepts and assign meaning.  This 
> is accomplished by giving concepts artificial boundaries 
> and imaginary independence. 
> 
>> From the MoQ perspective, Reality = Quality(DQ(unpatterned 
> experience)/sq(patterned experience(inorganic, biological, social, 
> intellectual & code of art))).  Every pattern contained within every 
> level, including intellectual static patterns of value, is represented 
> in that ‘sq’.  Patterns are provisional, interrelated, ever-changing, 
> and impermanent.  They are different from event to event because 
> each event is dependent on an individual’s pattern life history and 
> the dynamic context of the event.  Within the MoQ, the Intellectual 
> (SOM) Level becomes a set of tools that may be useful for solving 
> a certain type of problem.  Until a mode of communication evolves 
> to represent this emerging monistic metaphysics (the MoQ), 
> definitions, meanings and explanations will misrepresent reality.
> 
> You might at this point suggest that the Eastern point-of-view has 
> developed a reality that reflects the MoQ, and it was developed 
> many centuries ago.  I might agree that there are Eastern philosophies 
> that are monistic.  But I’d remind you that enlightenment is considered 
> an awakening, an awakening from the wrong understanding of reality.  
> That wrong understanding of reality is the dualistic, self-other, or 
> subject-object, point-of-view which inspires desire and fear, and 
> causes suffering.  Buddhism has created an complete system of 
> practice to assist the individual to move from ignorance to clarity.  
> This clarity is not the norm for most. 
> 
> I suppose I might add that my understanding is more stable then
> ever before, but it is still always subject to change.
> 
> 
> Marsha
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