[MD] a view

[X Acto]

I can think it to be many ways. question is which ways
yield the highest quality. That depends, it depends on 
your values. 

 


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From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
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Subject: Re: [MD] a view




As Lila, the character,  said, reality is whatever you think it to be,
not whatever you want it to be, but whatever you think it to be.  I 
assume what you think agrees with your observed experience.  Or?  





On Apr 3, 2010, at 8:09 AM, X Acto wrote:

> Marsha,
> Intellectually speaking yes, but as it applies to experience
> it is still a problem from my own observations.
> - ron
> 
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
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> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 7:27:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] a view
> 
> Ron,
> 
> It's obviously a conventional interpretation, so yes it is a problem.
> But so then would be your conventional view that it's a
> problem. 
> 
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 3, 2010, at 7:14 AM, X Acto wrote:
> 
>> Marsha,
>> I think the idea of a right/wrong way to view reality
>> is a problem. I think concerning the self with it
>> is a problem. I think trying to label it and the self
>> as subscribing to it's point of view is a problem.
>> Like a place to rest and stop the search. 
>> 
>> A comfortable place to call home.
>> 
>> -Ron
>> 
>> 
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>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 1:12:24 PM
>> Subject: [MD] a view
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> This is how I understand the Intellectual (SOM) Level.  From 
>> the SOM perspective, there is the unknown and the known.  
>> The known uses language as its primary tool.  Language has been 
>> built hand-in-hand with human understanding of reality, they have 
>> evolved together, and they reflect reality as subjects and objects, 
>> our language and subject-object metaphysics are interrelated.  
>> (In the Social Level, this s-o understanding is unconscious.)  
>> In the Intellectual Level the subject-object split is conscious, 
>> and has undergone a dissection to strip the ‘subjective’ from 
>> influencing our search for the external Truth in Nature.  The 
>> Intellectual Level represents a formal Subject-Object 
>> Metaphysics, SOM, and is interconnected with the language 
>> we use to organize concepts and assign meaning.  This 
>> is accomplished by giving concepts artificial boundaries 
>> and imaginary independence. 
>> 
>>> From the MoQ perspective, Reality = Quality(DQ(unpatterned 
>> experience)/sq(patterned experience(inorganic, biological, social, 
>> intellectual & code of art))).  Every pattern contained within every 
>> level, including intellectual static patterns of value, is represented 
>> in that ‘sq’.  Patterns are provisional, interrelated, ever-changing, 
>> and impermanent.  They are different from event to event because 
>> each event is dependent on an individual’s pattern life history and 
>> the dynamic context of the event.  Within the MoQ, the Intellectual 
>> (SOM) Level becomes a set of tools that may be useful for solving 
>> a certain type of problem.  Until a mode of communication evolves 
>> to represent this emerging monistic metaphysics (the MoQ), 
>> definitions, meanings and explanations will misrepresent reality.
>> 
>> You might at this point suggest that the Eastern point-of-view has 
>> developed a reality that reflects the MoQ, and it was developed 
>> many centuries ago.  I might agree that there are Eastern philosophies 
>> that are monistic.  But I’d remind you that enlightenment is considered 
>> an awakening, an awakening from the wrong understanding of reality.  
>> That wrong understanding of reality is the dualistic, self-other, or 
>> subject-object, point-of-view which inspires desire and fear, and 
>> causes suffering.  Buddhism has created an complete system of 
>> practice to assist the individual to move from ignorance to clarity.  
>> This clarity is not the norm for most. 
>> 
>> I suppose I might add that my understanding is more stable then
>> ever before, but it is still always subject to change.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
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