[MD] a view

X Acto xacto at rocketmail.com
Sat Apr 3 05:47:58 PDT 2010 

camping on any idea pollutes it after awhile.



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From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
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Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 8:43:21 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] a view



If that's what you think.

For me, reality is Quality(unpatterned experience &
patterned experience.)  This agrees with my 
experience, more that I'm not sure I need to worry 
about at the moment.  Do I?  






On Apr 3, 2010, at 8:34 AM, X Acto wrote:

> I can think it to be many ways. question is which ways
> yield the highest quality. That depends, it depends on 
> your values. 
> 
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> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 8:20:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] a view
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> As Lila, the character,  said, reality is whatever you think it to be,
> not whatever you want it to be, but whatever you think it to be.  I 
> assume what you think agrees with your observed experience.  Or?  
> 
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> On Apr 3, 2010, at 8:09 AM, X Acto wrote:
> 
>> Marsha,
>> Intellectually speaking yes, but as it applies to experience
>> it is still a problem from my own observations.
>> - ron
>> 
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>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 7:27:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] a view
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>> Ron,
>> 
>> It's obviously a conventional interpretation, so yes it is a problem.
>> But so then would be your conventional view that it's a
>> problem. 
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 3, 2010, at 7:14 AM, X Acto wrote:
>> 
>>> Marsha,
>>> I think the idea of a right/wrong way to view reality
>>> is a problem. I think concerning the self with it
>>> is a problem. I think trying to label it and the self
>>> as subscribing to it's point of view is a problem.
>>> Like a place to rest and stop the search. 
>>> 
>>> A comfortable place to call home.
>>> 
>>> -Ron
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>> Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 1:12:24 PM
>>> Subject: [MD] a view
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> This is how I understand the Intellectual (SOM) Level.  From 
>>> the SOM perspective, there is the unknown and the known.  
>>> The known uses language as its primary tool.  Language has been 
>>> built hand-in-hand with human understanding of reality, they have 
>>> evolved together, and they reflect reality as subjects and objects, 
>>> our language and subject-object metaphysics are interrelated.  
>>> (In the Social Level, this s-o understanding is unconscious.)  
>>> In the Intellectual Level the subject-object split is conscious, 
>>> and has undergone a dissection to strip the ‘subjective’ from 
>>> influencing our search for the external Truth in Nature.  The 
>>> Intellectual Level represents a formal Subject-Object 
>>> Metaphysics, SOM, and is interconnected with the language 
>>> we use to organize concepts and assign meaning.  This 
>>> is accomplished by giving concepts artificial boundaries 
>>> and imaginary independence. 
>>> 
>>>> From the MoQ perspective, Reality = Quality(DQ(unpatterned 
>>> experience)/sq(patterned experience(inorganic, biological, social, 
>>> intellectual & code of art))).  Every pattern contained within every 
>>> level, including intellectual static patterns of value, is represented 
>>> in that ‘sq’.  Patterns are provisional, interrelated, ever-changing, 
>>> and impermanent.  They are different from event to event because 
>>> each event is dependent on an individual’s pattern life history and 
>>> the dynamic context of the event.  Within the MoQ, the Intellectual 
>>> (SOM) Level becomes a set of tools that may be useful for solving 
>>> a certain type of problem.  Until a mode of communication evolves 
>>> to represent this emerging monistic metaphysics (the MoQ), 
>>> definitions, meanings and explanations will misrepresent reality.
>>> 
>>> You might at this point suggest that the Eastern point-of-view has 
>>> developed a reality that reflects the MoQ, and it was developed 
>>> many centuries ago.  I might agree that there are Eastern philosophies 
>>> that are monistic.  But I’d remind you that enlightenment is considered 
>>> an awakening, an awakening from the wrong understanding of reality.  
>>> That wrong understanding of reality is the dualistic, self-other, or 
>>> subject-object, point-of-view which inspires desire and fear, and 
>>> causes suffering.  Buddhism has created an complete system of 
>>> practice to assist the individual to move from ignorance to clarity.  
>>> This clarity is not the norm for most. 
>>> 
>>> I suppose I might add that my understanding is more stable then
>>> ever before, but it is still always subject to change.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha
>>> 
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