[MD] A fly in the MOQ ointment

[Horse]

Hi Ham
I think that Steve gave a very good answer to your question:

http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/2010-March/046553.html

and said it much better than I would.

Cheers

Horse

On 03/04/2010 05:57, Ham Priday wrote:
> Horse, with a query to Bo --
>
>
> Okay, sorry I mistook Bo's statement for one of yours.  I'll let him 
> explain the meaning of his phrasing in this quote of 4/1:
>
>> FYI: The SOL does NOT say that the 4th level consists of
>> subjects and objects, rather it is the SOM (the "objective-
>> over-subject" approach) without its "M"!!!!
>
> I can understand SOM "without its 'M'", but not the 
> "objective-over-subject" bias attributed to this dichotomy.  Is it the 
> SOM (objectivist) view that objects "dominate" subjects?
>
> And, Horse, I believe you did say this to Bo on 4/2:
>
>> But your main contention has always been that the Intellectual level 
>> of the MoQ is Subject Object Metaphysics i.e. a metaphysical position 
>> that posits
>> Subjects and Objects as the basis of reality.
>
> My question concerns the reference by you and others in this forum to 
> the "metaphysical position" of the subject/object relationship.  
> Specifically, what is metaphysical about it?
>
> I'd still appreciate your slant on why Pirsig chose to posit objective 
> reality (experienced subjectively) as a metaphysical concept.
>
> Thanks, Horse.
>
> --Ham
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