[MD] a view

[X Acto]

Especcially since it's all about "u"



----- Original Message ----
From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 1:58:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] a view


Way too many i's.    Yuck!  


> Greetings Arlo,
> 
> 
> While sustaining biological and social patterns
> Kill all intellectual patterns.
> Kill them completely
> And then follow Dynamic Quality
> And morality will be served.
> 
>    (LILA, Chapter 32)  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 7, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Arlo Bensinger wrote:
> 
>> [Marsha]
>> I was thinking about the word 'kill' earlier.  I do think that 'kill' is a bit strong.  It seems they die a natural death when you don't lift them into awareness; they just kind of dissolve.  No act of violence required.
>> 
>> [Arlo]
>> My question continues to be why we should not let social patterns "dissolve" to serve morality? Do you think that preserving biological and social patterns is a message only to the western world? What about Bo's favorite "social" culture, the Muslims? In order to follow Dynamic Quality, don't you think that they would need to "dissolve" their social patterns? Why not us? If the West needs to "dissolve" its intellectual patterns in order for morality to be served, does that mean things like fundamentalist religions do NOT stand in the way of this?
> 
> I think it is a verse written for the individual.  I think many social patterns should dissolve.  I interpret the word 'sustain' to means 'to keep from giving way', so I  translate the first 2 lines as:  While not letting the biological and social levels collapse, let intellectual patterns dissolve' and morality will be served.  Hopefully, this answers the remaining questions too.
> 
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Just so you know  where I am coming from, I think Pirsig's attempt to "translate" that verse into MOQ-speak is interesting but ultimately problematic. When discussing the morality of the hippies, he makes a more internally consistent statement that following DQ means "dissolving" both intellectual and social patterns, and I'd argue that the Zenist would say dissolving static biological patterns as well. Meaning, getting to that Zero-Point of preconceptual awareness means challenging or "dissolving" all static barriers to "something new".
>> 
>> As such, it is not uniquely "intellect" that gums up the works, its an adherence to static patterns per se; be they social, intellectual or even biological. Any static pattern can be a prison if given power to blind people to new things, not *just* those abhorrent intellectual patterns. And escape (pursuing DQ) comes from an abandonment to ALL static patterns, at least temporarily, to see if something better can be found.
>> 
>> We can demonize "intellect" until we are blue in the face, but all that serves is championing stupidity.
>> 
>> Moq_Discuss mailing list
>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
>> Archives:
>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> 
> 
> Moq_Discuss mailing list
> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
> Archives:
> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
> http://moq.org/md/archives.html



___


Moq_Discuss mailing list
Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
Archives:
http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
http://moq.org/md/archives.html