[MD] re, fellow european-Bodvar

[Horse]

Hiya John

The main reason that I wrote what I did was because Bo has a habit of 
accosting new members with his SOL (hmm!) and then trying to make out 
that Pirsig agrees with him. I've seen it happen too many times and it 
tends to create a lot more confusion about Pirsigs MoQ than is 
necessary. Bo leaped in very quickly and started a hatchet job on what's 
discussed on this list and the evil academy so I pointed out the obvious.
That Pirsig and most on this list disagree with Bo isn't particularly a 
problem - I've never tried to stop Bo putting forward his view of the 
MoQ, I even published his SOL statement/essay on MOQ.ORG - but when some 
on this list start complaining about the academic and more technical 
side of philosophy and trying to make a bogeyman out of their work I 
think it does become a problem.
Whatever your views on the academy and how they 'philosophologise' (!) 
it's still a necessary area where the MoQ needs to be introduced and 
maintained and Ant and Dave are doing a fine job. And yeah, I agree with 
Arlo that Pirsig does support both Ant and Dave in their efforts to get 
the MoQ into academia. When Ant received his PhD at Liverpool, Pirsig 
was there to show his support for Ant - he and Wendy didn't travel 
several thousand miles just for a couple of days sightseeing!
There's room here for many styles and points of view and I think it's 
detrimental to Pirsigs work to let certain comments go 
unchallenged.Ignorance may be bliss but only for the ignorant.
It also seems to me that most of those that complain about this academic 
insertion and the big words and technical stuff are also the ones that 
distort the MoQ the most. Interesting correlation maybe!

Cheers

Horse

On 14/04/2010 22:08, John Carl wrote:
> arlo the puppy kicker sez:
>
> "to suggest Pirsig would rather see this list devolve into a sporadic
> collection of "random thoughts" swinging from "art is pretty" to "leftists
> are bad" is something I would think would NOT be something he would rather
> see here."
>
> And scores!  Because of course!  Who would?  We can judge pretty accurately
> what Pirsig would want - Quality.
>
> And I'd say more than anything that Pirsig would want people to pursue DQ in
> their own sphere than ask "what would bob do" all the time.
>
> And thus Platt's point about Pirsig NOT wanting "what would bob do"
> academically codified, defined and warped into a static object of
> intellectual encapsulation, is true.  And it is in that vein that I think
> Platt is closer to the heart than any reliance upon any static authority
> figure.  Be it Pirsig himself or any past-designated acolytes.
>
> ahem.
>
>
> But hey, I'm an evil academic, you know, one of the bad guys who values
>    
>> learning rather than championing ignorance, so what do I know? I kick
>> puppies for fun.
>>
>>
>>      
> And tell me, oh teacher of men, what increases learning?  Arrogant
> encapsulations of academic status, or humble seeking of truth?
>
>
> At the very least, you need both.
>
> John the arrogant encapsulator of humility
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