[MD] MOQ would seems to imply that above human intelligence computers

[Ian Glendinning]

Horse and Arlo have it right.

The interesting question is whether AI could develop the necessary
social patterns (from which to develop their superior intellectual
patterns) without having humans (with our existing social and
currently superior intellectual patterns) participating in those AI
social patterns.

It seems reassuring to understand that AI has to pass through the
social level before it gets to be intellectual - but in fact the
biggest threat may be if AI successfully establishes social patterns
with sufficient autonomous power to ignore us humans long before AI
achieves superior intellect - that would be de-evolution. I suspect
(hope) the first question above will be our saving grace ?

Regards
Ian

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Arlo Bensinger <ajb102 at psu.edu> wrote:
> [Horse]
> You're missing the point Platt - if they are intelligent and thus have an
> intellectual level - they would have a social level.
>
> [Arlo jumps in]
> Yeah, although this is a hypothetical (at present), the MOQ is very clear
> that intellectual patterns emerge from social patterns, they do not appear
> in isolation outside of this.
>
> [Horse]
> If computers ever did become intelligent it would be through a different but
> analogous path.
>
> [Arlo]
> Agree.
>
> But perhaps rather than parallel socio-intellectual evolution, perhaps some
> manner of networked intelligence will provide the necessary complexity for a
> new level of evolution; one that "we" won't be a part of outside providing
> some foundational firmament, like red-blood cells to the mythos.
>
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