[MD] honesty , re, marscha

[MarshaV]

Jon,

Reality is Quality(Dynamic Quality(unpatterned experience)/static quality(patterned experience(inorganic,biological,social&intellectual patterns)))

So what do you have in mind for Truth with a capital T?  Or are you talking about politics with a small t?  



Marsha




On Apr 17, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Jon Bennett wrote:

> Hi MarshaV,
> 
> I am interested in Truth with a capital T, as Francis Shcaeffer would say.
> Much to be said on this, but for starters, its not truth as I or as you or
> as anybody wishes it. It's Truth that IS regardless of what you think about
> it, or if you even understand or perceive it.
> 
> The first thing that strikes me about our current crisis of truth, is that
> we should even ask what it means. Would you ask what a lie means, what
> deceit, falsehood, or error means. But we are in such a crisis and that is
> what P's books address.
> 
> Political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of expression, the
> understanding of human rights and the laws that protect these did not arise
> out of a vacuum, out of a nothingness. They arose out of a very specific
> understanding of Truth, with a capital T. And the elimination, the denial of
> those freedoms and rights, arise out of a specific "understanding" , truly a
> misunderstanding of truth, as well.
> 
> Even the understanding of an individual, whether an individual human being,
> or individual human rights, or individual laws that protect and preserve
> them, or the idea of an individual thing or entity, are based in
> philosophical and ultimately theological assumptions.
> 
> The very reason I am free to write and you are free to read these words, is
> based on just such philosophical and theological assumptions that were
> extended to moral, legal, and political institutions.
> 
> And where different assumptions prevail we would not be able to speak so
> freely. All cultures, religions, and philosophies do not lead to the same
> understanding and protections of human rights and individual liberties.
> 
> That is why we should seek a genuine, a True understanding of history and
> the ideas behind it. And why we should work out our paradigms with "fear and
> trembling".
> 
> Thanks,
> Jon
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 3:43 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hello Jon,
>> 
>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:57 PM, Jon Bennett wrote:
>> 
>>> But beyond this-what makes something good anyway? What makes something
>> just.
>>> You must start by telling me your epistemology. You must have a valid way
>> of
>>> knowing truth, or you are playing a wishing game.
>> 
>> What type of truth are you wishing for?
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> And without such a reliable foundation, someone will impose their truth
>> on
>>> you, and take away your liberty.
>> 
>> And in the light of truth as you wish it, how is this statement true?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>>