[MD] MOQ would seems to imply that above human intelligence computers

[Mary]

Hi JoHn,

> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Mary <marysonthego at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi John & all,
> >
> > Rudimentary Emotions must have begun at the Biological Level.
> > Emotions do not exist without an ego to feel them.
> >
> 
> 
> Is the ego a biological creation or a socially created pattern?
> Because I
> put forth that it is only socially derived and created.
>
[Mary Replies] If by socially derived you mean at the Social Level, I would
ask you to clarify that.  Do dogs, for instance, have a Social Level?  I'm
pretty sure my dog has an ego, the chickens, horses, and goats I used to
have did too.
 
> 
> 
> > Ego developed as a self-preservation mechanism at the Biological
> Level.
> > If you lacked an ego, you would not value your own continued
> existence.
> > If you did not value your own continued existence, you would not
> defend
> > yourself, so you wouldn't survive, would you?
> >
> >
> 
> If you had no conception of self to defend, you would not know how to
> defend
> it.  Therefore, before the proper attention to the biological
> exingencies of
> existence can be maintained, the boundaries of self vs. other must be
> created or defined.
> 
[Mary Replies] Yes.  The concept of ego is very old.

> There are human bodies we can maintain at a functional level, but we
> deem
> the "self" to be absent.  We call them "brain dead", but what we really
> mean
> is that we can no longer interact with them on any level, and thus
> since
> they have zero social meaning, they must not be really alive.
> 
> This shows that sense of self is a social construct.  Emotions are
> social
> intelligence.
> 
> 
[Mary Replies] I'm not clear how it shows that.
> 
> 
> > Which came first, the chicken or the egg?  Which of these 2 emotions
> were
> > first?  Lust or Fear?
> 
> 
> Fear, I'm sure.  We value biological integrity long before we crave
> biological procreativity.
> 
> 
> 
> > Hmmm, kind of depends on your mechanism for
> > procreation, doesn't it.  If you replicate by basic cell division,
> you
> > wouldn't need lust, so I guess it was fear.  I would say that they
> are the
> > only 2 that are necessary at the Biological Level.  Get any fancier
> and you
> > are talking rudimentary Social Level (cooperation, empathy, respect
> and
> > such).
> >
> > So, I guess the ego was the big driver through both the biological
> and
> > social levels.  Didn't stop there, though, did it?  The Ego drives
> the
> > intellectual Level too.  I am discrete.  I am me and everything else
> is
> > "other".  I Need that science to study that "other stuff".  There's
> me (the
> > subject) and you and particle physics (my objects).  Can't be any
> other way
> > because I am my ego.  Subject-Object Metaphysics rules!
> >
> >
> I believe tho that this ego problem is tameable with realization.
> 
[Mary Replies] I believe this ego problem is tamable with the MoQ.  Instead
of a subject-object divide there is a static-dynamic one.
> Ever heard of realization Mary?
> 
[Mary Replies] hehehe!

> For I realize that since my self cannot exist without a relational
> matrix,
> and I also realize my self does exist, I can deduce metaphysically a
> relational matrix beyond my narrow sense of self and hey.  As long as I
> can
> metaphysically deduce my existence, (and yours!) I'm happy.
> 
[Mary Replies] If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.

> And it is peace of mind which determines the completion of the
> rotisserie.
> 
> John