aha! I just got a realization! Thanks Platt. I'll have to ponder this for a while but that was very helpful... and somewhat obvious in hindsight. Which, I guess, all realizations are. John On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Platt Holden <plattholden at gmail.com>wrote: DQ cannot be defined, thus transcendent. SQ is definable, thus immanent. > >