[MD] Buddhism's s/o

[MarshaV]

On Apr 26, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Andre Broersen wrote:

> Marsha to Andre, (for consideration):
> 
> While awakening, realization or enlightenment seem to transcend the subject/
> object dichotomy, Buddhist wisdom has always participated in the Intellectual
> Level., at least it seems to me.
> 
> Andre:
> Well Marsha, I can only refer you to Annotation 132 and 133 in which Pirsig states his essential intention about the MOQ (which is after all an Intellectual Pattern of Value). That Buddhism has also, always participated in/at the intellectual level (and beyond) is no surprise no? This seems to me to directly undermine the SOL because its 's' and 'o' are to be understood very differently from the SOM s/o dichotomy.... the Cartesian chism right? Mind - Matter,Objective over Subjective?
> 
> Nagarjuna employed the dialectical method to arrive at the Middle Way. Is this then SOM? The MOQ was arrived at through an inductive/deductive process. Is it also then SOM?
> 
> As far as Buddhism is concerned I prefer to contemplate and experience the First and the Second Principle. i.e DQ/SQ.
> 



Hi Andre,

Yes, I'm saying that to suggest Eastern Philosophy is something special, 
outside of logic and the scientific method (SOM), and therefore disproves 
Bo's claim is false.  Buddhism does not represent some strange kind of 
non-s/o intellectual patterns.  

Yes, techniques used by Buddha and Nagarjuna were SOM as stated: "the objective 
component and the subjective component", but their goal was much different than 
the goals of the West as I suggested.  The East is mostly about introspection.  
Didn't the same thing happen to Pheadrus?  The Buddha and Pheadrus discovered 
through objectivity, logic and scientific thinking the place where the subject/object 
assumptions all fell apart.  

I don't have a first and second MoQ principle.  For me there is Quality(DQ/sq).  That 
I can experience Quality as either unpatterned and/or patterned does nothing to change 
or divide Quality.   I think that the MoQ represents ZMM and LILA as an intellectual 
_explanation_ of Quality, and also the _experience_ of Quality, or two truths, a 
conventional explanation of the MoQ and an Ultimate experience of the MoQ.  


Marsha


 
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