[MD] Putnam on Is-Ought and Truth

[david buchanan]

Steve said:
I know what Pirsig says. I'm wonderring how his arguments stand up to arguments that others have made. Aren't you also wonderring why, if these questions have been so thoroughly dissolved, that people keep asking about them?


dmb says:

Well, that's just it Steve. I don't see Pirsig's arguments in anything you're saying. I'm suggesting that the distinction is pretty meaningless in the MOQ. Can you explain how this has any relevance to what Pirsig says?


Steve:


What would one person who had never had a conversation with anyone else know about how to construct a good argument and what sorts of arguments ought to convince her? What could "good argument" even mean under such conditions?


dmb says:

Huh? I thought we were talking about deriving oughts from ises? 


Steve said:

Rorty does not hold that morality is just what society lets us say, nevertheless, there is a social [] component to the practice of justification. You keep bringing up radical empiricism as though experience answers all questions about justification. I've asked you many times how empirical reality provides us not only with experience in each moment but all the standards for justification for evaluating what reality is supposed to be telling us at each moment. Where do standards for justification come from, DMB?



dmb says:

This question doesn't make any sense to me. Empiricism is an answer to the question of justification. Empiricism says our knowledge and truth claims are tested by experience. Radical empiricism does not claim to answer ALL questions about justification but it is an epistemological theory with its own set of standards for justification. So you seem to be asking for the standards of justification that can justify my standards of justification. Wha? 


And frankly, your question, "how empirical reality provides us not only with experience in each moment but all the standards for justification for evaluating what reality is supposed to be telling us at each moment" is quite ridiculous.


Who ever said we want or need or can have standards at each moment of reality? And in the MOQ worrying about standards and justifications at each moment would keep you out of touch with reality at each moment.

Best,
dmb 

 		 	   		  
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