[MD] Buddhism's s/o

[MarshaV]

Hello John,

I don't get where I was being evasive, but let's start again to see 
where the problem might be.  I have a feeling, though, that it lies 
in your expectations.  


Marsha 
 
 
 



On Apr 28, 2010, at 4:10 PM, John Carl wrote:

> Yeah, but I wasn't talking about you.  I was talking about the social
> consequences of thinking like you.  See the difference?
> 
> But hey, I think we're at the point of "waiter... this conversation isn't
> any good".
> 
> Or to be more accurate, your evasion has raised more interesting questions
> to be discussed than the answer ever would have.
> 
> yay
> 
> jc
> 
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:29 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> John,
>> 
>> What do you mean by religious thinking?  I have told you
>> I am quite comfortable with the Tom Robbins quote.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 28, 2010, at 12:15 PM, John Carl wrote:
>> 
>>> Marsha the evasive,
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> The first question is:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have you Marsha, ever considered the GOOD effects of
>>>>> overcoming religious thinking in your intellectual development?
>>>> 
>>>> Consider?  Do you mean systematically, like reading the Great Books?
>>>> No, I've never formally considered my intellectual development.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Me neither.  I bought a set at a yard sale.  Cheap.  And often thought
>> about
>>> reading them.
>>> 
>>> That's what I call intellectual development, thinking about thinking
>> about
>>> thinking.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> The second is related:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Whether or not  the passing on of this pattern to our children is
>>>> "giving
>>>>> them the answer" without letting them work it out for themselves and
>> thus
>>>> a
>>>>> sort of intellectual crippling with unforseen results?
>>>> 
>>>> "The social values are right only if the individual values are right.
>>>> The place to improve the world is first in one's own heart and
>>>> head and hands, and then work outward from there. Other
>>>> people can talk about how to expand the destiny of mankind.
>>>> I just want to talk about how to fix a motorcycle. I think that what
>>>> I have to say has more lasting value."
>>>> (ZMM, Chapter 25)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> well obviously the author talked about a lot more than merely fixing
>>> motorcycles.  I'd say for starters he's talking about talking about
>> fixing
>>> motorcycles in the passage quoted.
>>> 
>>> If he'd really just "wanted" to talk about motorcycles then he'd have
>> done
>>> so exclusively.
>>> 
>>> And all those confused book store clerks and librarians who stocked ZAMM
>> on
>>> the auto maintenance sections wouldn't have been so far off.
>>> 
>>> But you know all that.  You're just being evasive.  You're fully aware
>> that
>>> the motorcycle under discussion is the motorcycle known as your
>> intellectual
>>> self.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I admit its a tricky question  but no psychological manipulation is
>>>>> intended.
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe you think I'll be more, um, um, receptive?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> That was my ploy.  I see it won't work.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Just a simply enquiry into social and intellectual values, is all.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Love,
>>>> 
>>>> Am I suppose to be able to resist love?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Where there's life there's choice.  Where there's choice there's hope.
>>> Where there's hope there's love.
>>> 
>>> So no, I guess you weren't.
>>> 
>>> But please feel free.
>>> 
>>> Nobody ever accused me of confusing my is and my ought!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And now I'll leave you alone from my pesky questions before you have to
>> say
>>> "fuck your questions!"
>>> 
>>> Admiringly,
>>> 
>>> John
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