[MD] Natural Law

[John Carl]

Bo the dour replies to my invitation to dance in the sunshine with the
daisies, and he gives me bloated corpses rotting in the harsh light of
existence:



> "Growing toward the light like a flower in the sunshine? LOL! Read the
> part about "a professor left out in the sunshine" i.e. the impossible
> condition that inorganic value poses to life. No one can find a rational
> reason how life got started ... still, it's a fact.
>
>
Right Bo!  It's a fact and it's a fun fact.  It's a good thing, I think.

That's what I'm talking about.




> >  Why all this fighting and resistance? Hang some friggin' daisies
> > around your prow.  Lighten up here, man. I'm from California.  We don't
> > do "norwegian dour'.
>
> OK, you are "harmless" one can't really blame kindergarten inmates
> for soiling their pants.
>
>

Flowers need shit.  No doubt about it. And as Krimel reminds, shit happens.
As I remind, that's a GOOD thing.



> > And DQ as a midwife, doesn't work.  What's the force then, Who is
> > giving birth?  Do you know how little, a really good midwife even
> > does?  Our last birth, our midwife popped her head in a couple times
> > and cleaned up the mess afterward.  Kept guard at the door.  Is that
> > the kind of metaphor you meant for DQ?
>
> Then the midwife metaphor wasn't the best, maybe the role YOU
> played as inseminator is more apt ;-)
>
>
 DQ the inseminator.  Ok.  Now yer talking.


> > Last and hardest, "MoQ transcending intellect."  Tsk, tsk. Bo.
> > You're wearing your helmet upside down again.  MoQ is explicitly and
> > definitely, a metaphysics.  A metaphysics is a philosophy, a set of
> > ideas about reality. An intellectual construction, through and
> > through.  If individuals can achieve realizations of their
> > existence, using this metaphysics, then GREAT.  We have a good
> > metaphysics.
>
> OK, here is the crux, after intellect's or SOM's emergence the term
> "metaphysics" was coined by Aristotle and became "subjective
> theories about objective reality", but as Pirsig starts the MOQ he tries
> to give the term a much more fundamental meaning, namely REALITY
> ITSELF which is the true meaning.


REALITY ITSELF is just a construct, Bo.  Any way you slice it, it's an
intellectual formulation in your head, that you choose to define and observe
in the way that you do.  Even a really great metaphysic, is just another
metaphysical system to be compared to other metaphysical systems in the
light of which has the most quality.



> The remotest tribes in the
> innermost reaches of Amazonas - without any academies and
> philosophers all have a metaphysics in the latter sense, and that is the
> MOQ sense
>
>
But... but... but... you say these primitives without universities to teach
them Socratic forms, are not intellectual.  How can you have a metaphysics
without intellect?  That sounds idiosyncratic at least.  Idiotic at most.


>
> With this unhealthy mis-mash of completely silly,  half-valid and a
> grains of valid notions I have no chance to reach you.
>
>
  can't argue with that.



>
> As said you are harmless, very village needs one.
>
>
Bodvar
>
>
very.

John