[MD] Stacks

[Joseph Maurer]

On 8/1/10 3:16 AM, "Magnus Berg" <McMagnus at home.se> wrote:

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>> The levels are integral. This is part of the lesson of the stack.
>> Morality is optimized by considering each of the levels. To ignore any
>> one level is to disintegrate morality.
> 
> The levels as integral I agree with, but they are also mutually exclusive
> (I'm not sure how Pirsig expressed it) the upper shying the lower as
> evil and the lower shying  the upper as destroyer of "order". The stack
> idea has always been part of the MOQ, that is, only from MOQ's meta-
> level do we see the immense complexity beneath the whole static
> range.
 
Now you're making things up again Bo. If lower levels were shying upper,
that would mean they are aware of the higher level in the first place.
But they aren't. The lower levels look right, left, north and south, but
the higher level is nowhere to be found. Because it's above and the
lower level doesn't know what "up" is.
 
    Magnus
 
Hi Magnus and all,
 
³The mythos-over-logos argument points to the fact that each child is born
as ignorant as any caveman.  What keeps the world from reverting to the
Neanderthal with each generation is the continuing ongoing mythos,
transformed into logos but still mythos, the huge body of common knowledge
that unites our minds as cells are united in the body of man.  To feel that
one is not so united, that one can accept or discard this mythos as one
pleases, is not to understand what the mythos is.
   There is only one kind of person, Phaedrus said, who accepts or rejects
the mythos in which he lives.  And the definition of that person, when he
has rejected the mythos, Phaedrus said, is ³insane.²  To go outside the
mythos is to become insaneŠŠ.
   My God, that just came to me now.  I never knew that before.² p. 450
ZENŠ.. paperback edition.
 
The SOM logos is insane and people accepted religion.  Imho the MOQ can
function as stacks within a crazy logos, only with the understanding that
evolution as mythos stabilizes logos:  I guess I can¹t be persuaded for sure
because evolution is always present.  DQ is undefined not non-existent!
 
Joe 

>>> The levels are integral. This is part of the lesson of the stack.
>>> Morality is optimized by considering each of the levels. To ignore any
>>> one level is to disintegrate morality.
>> 
>> The levels as integral I agree with, but they are also mutually exclusive
>> (I'm not sure how Pirsig expressed it) the upper shying the lower as
>> evil and the lower shying  the upper as destroyer of "order". The stack
>> idea has always been part of the MOQ, that is, only from MOQ's meta-
>> level do we see the immense complexity beneath the whole static
>> range.
> 
> Now you're making things up again Bo. If lower levels were shying upper,
> that would mean they are aware of the higher level in the first place.
> But they aren't. The lower levels look right, left, north and south, but
> the higher level is nowhere to be found. Because it's above and the
> lower level doesn't know what "up" is.
> 
> Magnus