[MD] Bo's right! For all the wrong reasons? (Part1)

[David Thomas]

Bo

Except for your reliable SOL twists I see little new here except for this:

> The MOQ levels have nothing to do with SOM's physics, biology,
> sociology and/or  psychology. All these - as S/O derivatives - are
> confined inside MOQ's 4th. level. Oh yes, all problems connected with
> the "orthodox" - weak - interpretation is resolved by SOL's - strong -
> interpretation. 

So you disagree with this claim by Pirsig also:

> The Metaphysics of Quality says that if moral judgments are essentially
> assertions of value and if value is the fundamental ground-stuff of the world,
> then moral judgments are the fundamental ground-stuff of the world.
> It says that even at the most fundamental level of the universe, static
> patterns of value and moral judgment are identical. The 'Laws of Nature' are
> moral laws. Of course it sounds peculiar at first and awkward and unnecessary
> to say that hydrogen and oxygen form water because it is moral to do so. But
> it is no less peculiar and awkward and unnecessary than to say chemistry
> professors smoke pipes and go to movies because irresistible cause-and-effect
> forces of the cosmos force them to do it.
> In the past the logic has been that if
> chemistry professors are composed exclusively of atoms and if atoms follow
> only the law of cause and effect, then chemistry professors must follow the
> laws of cause and effect too. But this logic can be applied in a reverse
> direction. We can just as easily deduce the morality of atoms from the
> observation that chemistry professors are, in general, moral. If chemistry
> professors exercise choice, and chemistry professors are composed exclusively
> of atoms, then it follows that atoms must exercise choice too. The difference
> between these two points of view is philosophic, not scientific. The question
> of whether an electron does a certain thing because it has to or because it
> wants to is completely irrelevant to the data of what the electron does.

If as Pirsig claims "moral judgments are the fundamental ground-stuff of the
world" and "The 'Laws of Nature' are moral laws."
Then based on what you say above, "the data of what the electron does", as
uncovered and described by physics, is NOT based on some moral law of nature
in force or ruling at the inorganic level as Pirsig claims.  All of the laws
and rules from physics to sociology under the MoQ are strictly SOM/SOL based
and reside on the intellectual level.

If this is true then you are rejecting the MoQ pretty much in total. As am
I, but as I said for different reasons.

Dave