[MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks

[Krimel]

> [Magnus]
> Let me ask you this then. *If* the levels were discrete and dependent,
> would you agree that the Descarte statement would be changed into what I
> said yesterday?
>
> [Krimel]
> Levels are conceptual structure much like what Piaget and other cognitive
> psychologists call schema. These are structures of thought that help us
> organize and interpret the information we as sentient beings are bathed
in.
> As noted above I think these conceptual structures are fractal and as
Piaget
> said we construct them by assimilating new information that fits into them
> or accommodating them to handle new data that doesn't fit. (the platypus
is
> a classic example of accommodation) These conceptual schema are illusions.
> They are particular ways that we have of organizing the world. The
> outstanding quality of human beings is our ability to construct these
schema
> and to shift between and among them. Which is to say our ability to take
> different points of view.

[Magnus]
You sound like Bo, just watching stuff from a human perspective and not 
recognizing that reality works just fine without us.

[Krimel]
You sound a bit like Ham assuming that there is some other perspective to
watch stuff from.

[Magnus]
You need to look closer at the reality around us. Just because you can't 
see the borders doesn't mean they don't exist. I'm trying to explain it 
to you, but you just say, "no", and stick your head into to the sand.

[Krimel]
Borders like definitions are fuzzy in their very nature. The only
definitions that come close to being unambiguous are "this" and "that" when
accompanied by a pointing gesture.

> [Krimel]
> No. The cogito only provides certainty as to your own existence. It tells
> you nothing about the nature of that existence nor about the existence of
> anything else. It doesn't tell you anything about a brain or about levels
or
> patterns.

[Magnus]
That wasn't a reply to my question. It was a reply to the question:

What does Descarte's quote tell *you*?

[Krimel]
It tells me the "I" (whatever that is) exist because I think (whatever that
maybe).

[Magnus]
Care to try again? The questions started with *If* the levels were... 
see above.

[Krimel]
*If* I took the *if* seriously I would still say, "No."

But let me ask you this: *If* pigs could fly, would they mate in the air?