[MD] MOQ Recursion

[craigerb at comcast.net]

[Craig, previously]
> An argument:
a) The idea of matter was derived from experience
b) matter is inorganic povs
c) :. inorganic patterns of value are ideas derived from experience.
[dmb]
> doesn't strike me as...an argument.


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This doesn't sound plausible.


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[dmb] 
> I'm guessing you want rocks and stuff
> to be the reality from which concepts of matter
> and inorganic patterns are derived.
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No, I think rocks & stuff ARE inorganic povs.
But ideas aren't.
A football is different from the idea of a football.
For proof:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92vV3QGagck

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[dmb]
> Experience itself is the primary empirical reality.
> That's what makes radical empiricism so damn
> radical. 		 			   

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Consider:
1) Reality is my experiences
2) Reality is the common experiences of humans
3) Reality is the common experiences of humans
 & other creatures like them
4) Reality is the experiences of anything that
 has experiences.

1) is too solipsistic.
2) is too anthrocentric.
3) is less zenophobic, but still not there yet.
Now add to 4):
4a) Experience is the interaction of povs.
from which follows:
4b) Reality is the interaction of povs.
Call it "pan empiricism".  That's radical too.  
Craig