[MD] Waving goodbye to particles

[John Carl]

Ok, first, thanks for the kind words Bo, and all.

I'm just gonna wrap up my responses to Arlo in one fell swoop, because the
threads are sorta flowing together like a wave.

However, the particulars of the ideas, have to be dealt with granularly, one
piece at a time, right?   Words are mere things.  Mere pebbles of the brain.


But to put words together, and catch the flow, takes a wave-ful mind.
Capable of noticing frequency, amplitude - history, timing and depth.  And
it takes two to make meaning, which is why Ellul defines evolution of
meaning through realization and transcendance of paradox - a process.

But when Arlo and I argue, artifact vs process, I have to say, neither one
can be fundamental to the other.

When you conceptualize any particular wave, you particularize it, turn it
into a single object of mentation.

When you examine any thing, any particle, you find it only exists in a
matrix of relationship, signified by such non-particulars as frequency,
amplitude and timing and comparison.

And we know thusly,  and from our deepest scientific ways of knowing, that
neither is fundamental to the other.   They're both ways of seeing that come
down ultimately to choice.

And at it's deepest, scientific ways of knowing, Reality is a choice.
 Choice, as Ham and I discussed, is inextricably bound with Quality.  Thus
Quality/Choice is fundamental, and artifacts and processes, particles and
waves, only relative conceptions of the better choice in the moment.

So which choice is better for designating the MoQ?

Arlo says artifact.

Arlo's problem as I see it, is that  even a wave becomes virtually  an
artifact when conceived or abstracted  as a thing.  And we're stuck with
that.  That's just the way the game goes.

We HAVE to conceptualize, just like we have to dance, drink, and pick up bar
ladies and score goals with our head (YAY GREEKS beat GERMANS)

My  "particular" problem with Arlo's artifactual process, is that any
"thing" thusly enclosed by definition, becomes too static.  And since the
MoQ explicitly deals with this problem, creatively and in novel format, then
it MUST be a process.  A harmonious wave of understanding, that it's
adherents use to surf unto higher understanding.  When you hit the beach,
you swim out again.

Thanks again,

John