[MD] Quality and Chaos

[Ian Glendinning]

Again Krim ... it didn't go un-noticed.
In punchy one-liners that seems OK to me. If Pirsig had been a
power-point jockey as opposed to a Sophist, I don't think you'd have
been that far apart.

And that "meaning from chaos" is pretty much the "reverse entropy
gradient" view ...

Of course some people will always find those gnats to strain at.
Go Krim.
Ian

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Krimel <Krimel at krimel.com> wrote:
> Moqers, one and all,
>
> While I appreciate the kind thoughts some of you have offered; as I feared
> the main points of my earlier post was lost. I am reposting it here in the
> hope that it will get the attention I think it deserves:
>
> Note: This BTW, is the essence of my understanding
>      of the MoQ. I have tap danced around it since
>      my first post here but I understand the MoQ
>      as stating:
>
> 1. Shit Happens.
> 2. Quality is Chaos
> 3. Quality (Chaos) has two aspects DQ (uncertainty)
>   SQ (certainty)
> 4. Value (meaning) is reduction of uncertainty.
>   (That is, meaning results from and results in,
>   our ability to create and manipulate static quality)
> 5. Biological organisms are the meaning (SQ) that evolution
>   derives from chaos.
> 6. As such organisms, we create meaning from chaos
> 7. We are beings that create SQ from the DQ around us
>   or to use James' terms, We derive concepts from
>   experience
>
> Or, simplistically speaking, something like that...
>
> I have never thought that this truly put me at odds with Pirsig but years of
> arguing here have done little but convince me that somehow it does.
>
> Krimel
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