[MD] now it comes

[Krimel]

[Marsha]
This is my favorite thing to think about.  A pattern, to my understanding,
is held 
only in bits and pieces in a single individual, making it definitely
relative.  A 
pattern has breadth and depth, as in its past existence and across many,
many 
individuals.  It does not exist in its entirety within one mind as a fully
formed 
concept, but is, indeed, a collective, pattern of value. 

What do you think about this assessment? 

[Krimel]
I think duration is a more salient feature of "pattern" that breadth or
depth. I also think that "pattern" as a concept is the product or our
interaction with the world not a necessary feature of the world. We are
biologically programmed to detect patterns. There are features of the retina
for example that pick out edges and line. Or as another example we detect
motion via the "patterns" of neural firing as light excites neural along a
trajectory in sequence. 

All of our sense are tuned to do something like this in one form or another.

But I see those "patterns" as Tits. The particular arrangements of primal
stuff may be out their but it is our perception and use of them that makes
them into patterns.

I am not so sure about the no single mind can contain a fully formed concept
though. Mine contains lots of them. But if you mean something like it is
impossible to transfer them in their completeness for one mind to another,
then sure.