[MD] MOQ/BOC

[Dan Glover]

Hello everyone

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 12:19 PM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings Dan,
>
> Thanks for sharing your insights concerning the Book of Changes.  You wrote
> something though that didn't quite make sense, and I believe it was a simple
> transposition mistake, but I'd like to make sure you don't really mean it:

Hi John, thank you for writing. No mistake though.

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> Dan:
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> "Looking to the four levels of the MOQ, it seems that as we move from
> the lower levels to the upper we move from the general to the
> particular. Just as every biological pattern of value is also an
> inorganic pattern but not all inorganic patterns are biological, every
> social pattern is an intellectual pattern but not all intellectual
> patterns are social."
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> John:
>
> Surely you meant to say the opposite.  All intellectual patterns are
> necessarily social, but not all social patterns are intellectual.  Just as
> all social patterns are also biological, but not all biological patterns are
> social in the way we mean social.

Dan:
If you are using your own insights here, then there is no reason for
this discussion to progress. According to the Metaphysics of Quality,
intellect grows out of social patterns of value. Every social pattern
of value is an idea. We cannot put them under a microscope and examine
them. But not every idea is a social pattern of value. Does that help?

>John:
> I believe we mean social to pertain to the consciousness of self and other.
> This self-realization doesn't pertain to life forms simpler than mammalian,
> in my view.  Pirsig postulates that it doesn't pertain to animals simpler
> than human, but that's an ongoing debate.

Dan:
Again, unless you are willing to delve into the MOQ quite a bit deeper
than I have seen, there is no room for discussion. I don't mean to be
mean but we are not here to examine what you believe. We need to keep
the MOQ in mind in order to understand one another. Otherwise, I am
simply not interested.

You take care too

Dan