[MD] MOQ/BOC

[ARLO J BENSINGER JR]

[Dan]
Looking to the four levels of the MOQ, it seems that as we move from the lower
levels to the upper we move from the general to the particular. Just as every
biological pattern of value is also an inorganic pattern but not all inorganic
patterns are biological, every social pattern is an intellectual pattern but
not all intellectual patterns are social."

[John]
Surely you meant to say the opposite.  All intellectual patterns are
necessarily social, but not all social patterns are intellectual.  Just as all
social patterns are also biological, but not all biological patterns are social
in the way we mean social.

[Arlo]
Hi Dan. I think what John noticed here, and I see it too, is that in your
example you say compare BIOLOGICAL



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>Dan:
>If you are using your own insights here, then there is no reason for
>this discussion to progress. According to the Metaphysics of Quality,
>intellect grows out of social patterns of value. Every social pattern
>of value is an idea. We cannot put them under a microscope and examine
>them. But not every idea is a social pattern of value. Does that help?
>
>>John:
>> I believe we mean social to pertain to the consciousness of self and other.
>> This self-realization doesn't pertain to life forms simpler than mammalian,
>> in my view.  Pirsig postulates that it doesn't pertain to animals simpler
>> than human, but that's an ongoing debate.
>
>Dan:
>Again, unless you are willing to delve into the MOQ quite a bit deeper
>than I have seen, there is no room for discussion. I don't mean to be
>mean but we are not here to examine what you believe. We need to keep
>the MOQ in mind in order to understand one another. Otherwise, I am
>simply not interested.
>
>You take care too
>
>Dan
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