[MD] now it comes

[Krimel]

Marsha:
It seems to me that quantum theory and buddhism are pointing to the 
mistaken identity of tits and 'atom' (Democritus&etc.).  Whether it be the 
eye seeing a tree, a mind thinking of justice, or an bubble chamber 
imagining an proton (or whatever), it must be remembered that there 
is an interdependence between what's being measured and the 
instrument of measurement.  No-thing is substantial. 

[Krimel]
Some might argue that both the Gospels and Darwin point to "gradual change
over time" as God's method of enacting his will. 

I am wary of the linkages in either case. Accommodating Buddha to Bohr or
Moses to Darwin are interesting exercises but they require such contortions
of each over the other that the twisted wholes seem less than the sum of
their parts. 

But that's a purely a personal aesthetic judgment

I have no-idea what you mean by "No-thing is substantial."





On Aug 12, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Krimel wrote:

> Marsha:
> Just for the record, is a pattern a definition, or compilation of 
> definitions, or something else?   
> 
> [Krimel]
> Bertrand Russell once claimed that the only label he had ever applied to
> himself was "philosophical atomist". He thought that philosophers argued
> about the meaning of terms until they got to a point where argument could
> not provide an answer. The points that elude definition and agreement are
> philosophical atoms.
> 
> I think that "pattern" is an "atom" for you the way I fear "meaning" is an
> atom for me. It is a concept so fundamental it becomes one of those
> transparent assumptions that we live by but can't adequately account for.
> 
> In my world "pattern," of necessity, involves some kind of persistent
> temporal relationship. At pattern can be "constant" in time, like
celestial
> orbits, or repeated in time like thunder storms, or replicated or iterated
> in time, like DNA.
> 
> Psychologically speaking, (what else did you expect?) life is a system of
> pattern recognition. All life proceeds by using patterns to maximize
> meaning. All living things in some sense are engines of pattern
recognition.
> We are designed to know good from bad and how to approach or avoid.
> 
> It is that fundamental, irreducible, philosophical atom: the valence of
plus
> and minus, good and bad; that drive life and the evolution of life.
> 
> Pattern recognition, the ability to detect similarity are well as
> difference, allows us to reduce the uncertainty of DQ and create meaning
or
> SQ.
> 
> 
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