[MD] MOQ/BOC

[John Carl]

Hi Magnus and DT,

I'm all primed on this, so I would like to interject some thinking, if you
don't mind.

On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Magnus Berg <McMagnus at home.se> wrote:

>
>
> The key word there was "teach". I think that implies intellect in the first
> place. I'm not saying it's *not* a social pattern if a lioness teaches her
> cubs to behave in certain ways. But if we are to really find the basis for
> the social level, we should try to find social patterns that do not rely on
> intellectual patterns.
>


John:

I think "teaching" is entirely a social pattern, Magnus.  The contents of
the teaching can be social or if in humans, the contents can be
intellectual.  But the social patterning of elder to younger "teaching" is a
distinct stack.

Pardon if I offer my theory which agrees with Bo, but I too make a
distinction between intelligence and intellect.  I think we need a useful
distinction between the reactiveness to environment that all life has to
some degree, with memory, time perception, etc. that I'd term intelligent,
and intellect which is the realization of self/other in  manipuable abstract
terms.

I think this is why there is so much confusion over the 4th level being
termed "intellectual", btw.  In essence, intellect is predicated upon S/O
thinking, as opposed to simple organism/environmental reaction which I call
"intelligent".

I make these distinctions in this way, in the hope that thusly they are more
useful.



>
> >I don't deny that other stacks can be useful but unfortunately they are
> all
> >trapped in some form of human invented language be it mathematics or
> >Swahili.
>
> Actually they're not. The intellectual level of the universal stack I'm
> mostly interested in, the one supporting our human individual intellect of
> our brains. That intellectual level is supported, not by a human invented
> language but by the language used by our nerve synapses, it's the language
> of our dreams, literally.
>
>
Does this mean you're divorcing our intellect from our sociality?   Dreams
have a language unique to the self, whereas language requires relationship.

Interesting if this is your aim.  Not sure I can go there tho.  What dreams
come of the self alone?  nerve mechanisms don't really mean anything till
their contextualized by a cultural interpretation.

Thanks for sharing yours,

John