[MD] Social level for humans only

[David Thomas]

Ian,
> Interesting Dave ...
> 
> For you "it's the whole problem"
> For me "it's the whole value"
> 
> You ask "how is that an improvement ?"
> I say "where's the problem ?"
> 
> I think we just have complementary cup-half-full / cup-half-empty
> perspectives ;-)
Right, I've always had kind of a pessimistic outlook with very, very few
experiences to support that position. Odd.
> 
> One substantive point. It wouldn't be the first time I've made the
> case that whilst the physical, organic and cultural
> (socio-intellectual) levels are related hierarchically, the
> distinction between social and intellectual may be clear (and it is),
> but is much less clear that this distinction is hierarchical .... yet
> it is the freedom in the intellectual that maintains the dynamics of
> the whole socio-intellectual. It may be hard to draw as simple levels
> in a 2D diagram .... but that doesn't make it wrong.
> 
> It's a multi-dimensional problem ... and part of it is confusing
> progress of evolution over time as progress in any particular
> (directed) direction. The only way is up, but "up" is many different
> directions at the same time. Things should be as simple as possible,
> but not more so. (Einstein) etc ...
> 
> This is like rolling the clock back 7 or 8 years for me. My starting
> point with MoQ, and the reason I still see value in discussing the
> social and intellectual relationships. Our futures depend on
> understanding them.
> 
One value in kicking "God" out is to wake up humanity to the fact that if
there is a "problem" it is in all probability of their own making. God ain't
gone'n fix it so if you don't like the experience, you fix it. But that is
easier said than done on any large scale.

Dave