[MD] Social level for humans only

[Magnus Berg]

DMB, Andre, Ian, Arlo

On 2010-08-18 17:27, david buchanan wrote:
> I'm with Andre, as usual. It destroys the meaning of "social" to
> extend it down into ant colonies and wolf packs because the defining
> feature of society is its opposition to the biological level.

Which means nothing if the biological level isn't well defined.

And I see you strike the ostrich pose. Disregarding the contradictions I 
mentioned in my last post. And I see in your next post you say:

 > The line between the social and biological is as supernatural and as
 > the line between biological and inorganic.

I see you haven't much faith in the reality of the levels, nor the MoQ. 
It's like:

- Hey world, we're gonna fly to the moon!

- Oh, wow! To the moon?

- Oh yeah! And we're gonna make it look sooo easy even a child could tag 
along.

- WOW! A child?? How are you gonna do that? Gravity control? Fusion 
powered ion engine? How?

- Ehh, well, actually. We have a plastic moon hanging in the ceiling at 
home. But we're gonna GO THERE! Cool huh!

...???


I'm not kidding. That's exactly what you do when you claim that the MoQ 
is so powerful and can explain so many things, but it's only valid for 
humans???

Regarding Freud, sure, I can agree that the Ego and Id have certainly 
much to do with the social vs biological struggle INSIDE A HUMAN'S MIND, 
i.e. in the human perspective stack. But it has nothing whatsoever to 
say about the biological nor social level that a human is MADE of, i.e. 
the universal stack.

> The
> impulsive desire for sex, violence, food is what makes the biological
> level work but social level moral codes are, more or less, an
> elaborate harness for these impulses. They're all about the
> regulation of who gets to bang who and who is allowed to use violence
> and who can eat what. The law of the jungle becomes something to be
> repressed, re-directed, re-channeled, and otherwise tamed.

It's when you express things in these general terms that it just as well 
can fit for a colony of cells that forms an animal. Or a pack of wolves, 
or an anthill, beehive. Ask anyone in the know about ants or bees and 
he'd say their rules are all about "who gets to bang who and who is 
allowed to use violence and who can eat what".

	Magnus