[MD] Social level for humans only

[Platt Holden]

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Krimel <Krimel at krimel.com> wrote:

> [Platt]
> No doubt Pirsig would agree that evolution is not due to "supernatural
> intervention."
>
> [Krimel]
> It is not at all clear to me that some of Pirsig's interpreters here agree
> with this. You for instance. If, for example, one speaks of Quality as a
> driving "force" then it is hard to see what other kind of force one could
> be
> talking about.
>
> [Platt]
> But, his questions still haunt conventional evolutionists.
> "But why do the fittest survive?"
>
> [Krimel]
> This question haunts only the terminally dense. Organisms survive to
> reproduce.
>

So why reproduce? Oh, I see. There is no why. Cop out.


>
> [Platt]
> Followed up by,  "Why, for example, why
> should a group of simple, stable compounds of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and
> nitrogen struggle for billions of years to organize themselves into a
> professor of chemistry? What's the motive?" (Lila, 11)
>
> [Krimel]
> Again the simple answer is that there is no "why". There is no "struggle".
> We live in an environment filled with diverse forms of matter energized by
> a
> rich source of energy. All of it is driving toward entropy or stasis. To
> get
> there it follows the path of least resistance. The fertile combination of
> energy and matter present in this time and place make the path of least
> resistance twisted and tortuous. Most of the sun's energy finds this path
> easy. It is a straight line out into space. But the sunlight that finds its
> way here bounces around, gets trapped in chemicals energizing them causing
> them to interact in complex ways.
>
> But the "motive," if you insist upon there being such a thing, is to find
> the path of least resistance.
>


If that's the motive, the path of least resistance would be to remain
inert..

>
> [Platt]
> Until Pirsig's questions are answered other than by his theory of a moral
> imperative, the conventional  explanation of evolution remains incomplete.
>
> [Krimel]
> Until you actually understand the theory it will always seem incomplete.
> Once you do understand it, it will also seem incomplete but in ways that
> don't make you sound like an idiot.
>

So Pirsig is an idiot. Is that your position?

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