[MD] Social level for humans only

[Andre Broersen]

Magnus to Andre:

Andre previously:
Self-sacrifice for the common good? Goodness me. Ants thinking in terms
of 'common good' and even better: 'self sacrifice'.

Magnus:
I never said "think".

Andre:
Correct, but you seem to be doing the thinking for the ants: concepts such as 'self'-'sacrifice'-'common'-'good' are human inventions at the social-intellectual level and may or may not be a useful way of describing OUR interpretation of behaviour going on at the biological level.

Concepts such as 'self-sacrifice' and for the 'common good' appear to me to be typically social (religious/political) patterns.

Magnus:
But as I also said in the same reply, the fact that some behaviour is
biologically inherited doesn't mean that it is a biological pattern,
which is a reason why I sometimes use the "organic" name for that level
instead.

Andre:
I agree that 'organic' is a more comprehensive term for the level in question. By 'inherited' I assume you mean 'hard-wired'. If it is not also a biological pattern of value how has it become biologically hard-wired then?

Magnus:
The single ant is very statically linked to the anthill
of which it is a member. But the*anthill*  has more dynamic freedom than
a single ant,*that's*  what counts.

Andre:
You have to explain this further Magnus, we are talking about the organic level yes?

Magnus:
I don't deny the reality of the human perspective. That the social level contains patterns like church, government and all that Pirsig says in Lila.*But*  when you do that, you do that from the human perspective stack, and within that stack, there are no conflicts because you*can*
regard each human as a biological pattern.

Andre:
Good to hear that we are allowed to see the MOQ from the 'human perspective'. Afterall it was invented by someone who had only one mission in mind and that is to make the world a little better place to live in, to improve it.
I regard each human to be 'composed' of inorganic,organic, socila and intellectual patterns of value with a capacity to apprehend Quality.

Despite a few attempts I have not been able to get through with the 'stack' link. Perhaps I should try again to get a better idea of where you are arguing from Magnus.